epicdavenport Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 If the starters ( except Blaziken ) are getting their hidden abilities is reckless enough for Emboar to go to NU? Link to comment
RysPicz Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 8 hours ago, PoseidonWrath said: Are we all forgetting how Weezing his HA is amazing in OU? lts really strong vs Conkeldurr, Scizor, Breloom, Mienshao removing their abillity. its like a better version of Cofa since with mummy u gotta have to touch cofa first and it Weezing doesnt get easily pursuit trapped by Tyranitar Dugtrio, though. Link to comment
Munya Posted June 25, 2022 Author Share Posted June 25, 2022 It would cancel its ability DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Huargensy Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, RysPicz said: Dugtrio, though. Cancel arena trap and can escape Link to comment
RysPicz Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Munya said: It would cancel its ability 7 hours ago, Huargensy said: Cancel arena trap and can escape Oh lmao I'm dumb, good point guys, thanks PoseidonWrath 1 Link to comment
Munya Posted June 25, 2022 Author Share Posted June 25, 2022 DW its broken right now because I'm dumb and didn't test swap ins vs it I guess, so a dugtrio would actually trap it currently. Not after its fixed though. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 9:34 AM, DarylDixon said: lets goo speed boost blaziken in NU Relax, devs already take providences about this. Torchic/Combusken/Blaziken's hidden ability has been removed. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 5:54 PM, Quinn010 said: if you compare it to moves like double team or sand veil this can't be outplayed defog can. i mean its just my pov i understand if people disagree You can try to predict and do a Mental Game to your opponent, they will need to be careful to Defog, so i think that Serperior will only get difficult Vs Rotom-Heat, that can enter and defog and put serperior on check(If you guess wrong, you enter with serperior and faint to a Overheat.) Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 22 hours ago, Munya said: Nothing has been decided yet, things may be banned to OU, but another thing we are discussing is using seasonal cutoff for the entirety of the next season to let things naturally rise faster, if they are going to. There is a lot to digest and a lot of different opinions on how to handle it. Close this season without changes, except bans and quick bans. because we will not play enough matches to test Hidden Abilities, after all, we are in the middle of a event, so UU matches aren't played much. Link to comment
LifeStyleNORE Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 17 hours ago, Munya said: DW its broken right now because I'm dumb and didn't test swap ins vs it I guess, so a dugtrio would actually trap it currently. Not after its fixed though. how long until its fixed though Quinn010 and Luke 2 Link to comment
DARKEN Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 undoubtebly this update is a huge one for competitive pokemon. i can see weezing rising to usage to act as a counter to serpierior when hes dominating the tier. this update is also a huge buff to sun teams with venasau and charizard getting alot of fire powe via hidden abilities. I honestly do hope that no other starters looses thier hidden abilities like blaziken did. cause before the starters were dogwater complete garbage Link to comment
DARKEN Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 who knows sap sipper bouffalant mayend up being a hard counter. thinks may seem crazy at firsty but arent pachima 1 Link to comment
epicdavenport Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 11 hours ago, DARKEN said: undoubtebly this update is a huge one for competitive pokemon. i can see weezing rising to usage to act as a counter to serpierior when hes dominating the tier. this update is also a huge buff to sun teams with venasau and charizard getting alot of fire powe via hidden abilities. I honestly do hope that no other starters looses thier hidden abilities like blaziken did. cause before the starters were dogwater complete garbage Speed boost is far and above a lot of the abilities other starters got. Blaziken is fine without it and sits as the most used pokemon in NU for months. No other starters in game really have abilities as strong as Blazikens. DiosSlurpuff 1 Link to comment
Munya Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 I'll make an official tier change thread in the next few hours but what we have decided to do is leave things as they have been stated in the OP, watch them, and continue with the 4.36% usage movements for the duration of the upcoming season. I will also being doing the NU/Untiered changes within that upcoming post. Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Serperior currently has June usage of 1,20% in OU. Contrary takes 73,68% of Serp's usage so it's safe to say this usage is after the update and the Overgrow is before the update. By this, it is reasonable to assume post-update Serp's usage for whole June has been 1,2% * 0,7368 = 0,88%. Update was released 24th of June, which means Contrary Serp has been available for 6 days, which is 6/30 days of June so 1/5th of the available days in June. If it is assumed Contrary Serp was available for the whole month, Contrary Serp's usage would have been 4,4%. And this all is also despite the fact that during the event people play matchmaking far less so less usage accounts to the statistics after the event was released, as well as Serp's being less available for less wealthy players due to expenses. TL;DR It is already evident that Serperior is going to OU. Just ban it from the UU in the meantime so people don't have to teambuild against a broken threat that will be guaranteed to leave the tier anyways in a month of two. Quinn010, Moi, ButaleF and 11 others 14 Link to comment
Munya Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 I greatly respect everybody who post in this threads thoughts on the matter but this is how we have decided on doing it. That doesn't mean something can't be banned mid month if its too much of an issue in the lower tier, but if its not an issue, I don't want to start banning on theorized usage either. LifeStyleNORE 1 Link to comment
CaptnBaklava Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 4 hours ago, OrangeManiac said: Serperior currently has June usage of 1,20% in OU. Contrary takes 73,68% of Serp's usage so it's safe to say this usage is after the update and the Overgrow is before the update. By this, it is reasonable to assume post-update Serp's usage for whole June has been 1,2% * 0,7368 = 0,88%. Update was released 24th of June, which means Contrary Serp has been available for 6 days, which is 6/30 days of June so 1/5th of the available days in June. If it is assumed Contrary Serp was available for the whole month, Contrary Serp's usage would have been 4,4%. And this all is also despite the fact that during the event people play matchmaking far less so less usage accounts to the statistics after the event was released, as well as Serp's being less available for less wealthy players due to expenses. TL;DR It is already evident that Serperior is going to OU. Just ban it from the UU in the meantime so people don't have to teambuild against a broken threat that will be guaranteed to leave the tier anyways in a month of two. Would be interesting to see the win % of it with out over grow, since it sits at 54% right now. I guess it not bold to assume that it would be higher. Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 45 minutes ago, Munya said: I greatly respect everybody who post in this threads thoughts on the matter but this is how we have decided on doing it. That doesn't mean something can't be banned mid month if its too much of an issue in the lower tier, but if its not an issue, I don't want to start banning on theorized usage either. bro why did you nuke Electrode then Poufilou and Quinn010 2 Link to comment
Munya Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 42 minutes ago, CaptnBaklava said: Would be interesting to see the win % of it with out over grow, since it sits at 54% right now. I guess it not bold to assume that it would be higher. I unfortunately cannot sort that out, but interestingly, similar %'s in UU but it has a much lower winrate. 40 minutes ago, OrangeManiac said: bro why did you nuke Electrode then I'd have to look back at their ban reason but i don't think it involved usage, If it was then me at the time of that ban was stupid. Link to comment
CaptnBaklava Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Munya said: I unfortunately cannot sort that out, but interestingly, similar %'s in UU but it has a much lower winrate. Probably because most of existing uu teams use crobat, OU has to adapt. Link to comment
xMago Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) Why venusaur + torkoal in UU? What counter have venusaur in UU with Sun? Im really not find one Edited July 1, 2022 by xMago Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 21 minutes ago, xMago said: Why venusaur + torkoal in UU? What counter have venusaur in UU with Sun? Im really not find one just ask the ban of Torkoal. Venusaur without sun is fine on UU. Link to comment
Thenavarro Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, xMago said: Why venusaur + torkoal in UU? What counter have venusaur in UU with Sun? Im really not find one Snorlax, rotom calm maybe Edited July 1, 2022 by Thenavarro Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) I checked usage on MM OU, and if keeps with the usage % that he has, Serperior will not being banned from Under Used, will go to Over Used by usage before it. 6% Usage, on one day and 424 Matches, 100% of them with Contrary. Edited July 1, 2022 by caioxlive13 Link to comment
xMago Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Thenavarro said: Snorlax, rotom calm maybe +2 252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-Heat: 129-152 (82.1 - 96.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock +2 252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Crobat in Sun: 169-200 (88 - 104.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock +2 252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Snorlax: 125-148 (46.8 - 55.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery when snorlax sleep , is gg venu Edited July 1, 2022 by xMago Link to comment
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