Event Suggestions & Feedback

[Strych]

As you all know, we enjoy running events. We try to come up with as many new and exciting ideas for them as we can, whilst also attempting to cater to our broad player-base.

Have we run a particular event that you'd like to see again? Perhaps one that you didn't like so much?
Do you have an idea for an event that you'd like to see happen? We're interested in your feedback and ideas, so feel free to post them in this thread.


Please keep ideas within the realm of possibility. I realise "if X is implemented, Y could be a great event", but lets try to work with what we have.



Note: This thread is for the discussion of official events (like those posted in PokeMMO Official Events).

[Patrick]

[quote name='Freakiie' timestamp='1366624606' post='300607']
@Patrick
Countering every argument with "eventually" just doesn't work. Yes it's nice that "eventually" we'll see this, but this is NOW and we got no idea how long it takes until "eventually" arrives. More and more people are complaining that something has to change, yet you're just sticking to "well one day you'll see a change, just you wait!". There needs to be a solution between now and eventually that can be quickly implemented and can function as a placeholder until eventually arrives or by the time we finally see "eventually" there won't be a need for it anymore since too many people are already gone.[/quote]

I appreciate that you are trying to support solutions that could work but the fact is that most or all temporary solutions so far are more flawed than the current system(s).

The post of mine that I assume you were responding to is regarding specialised event staff - the fact of the matter is, neither is a good solution to perceived event management problems.

Let's assume that a 64-player tournament won't have any no-shows (despite experience to the contrary) for the sake of argument. The last 64-player official tournament took about 3 hours with (as I recall) 2 matches running at a time. The simplest way to reduce the tournament time is to run more of the early matches at once, right? Problem is, you need more CM adjudicators present for that to happen (keeping in mind that the staff don't live in one timezone), it's more to organise, etc.

The proposed solution as I interpreted it was to hire a team of "event mods" to run events in place of the current staff. My response gave two reasons why it wouldn't happen - the first being that it's unnecessary as the CMs and GMs are more than capable, and the second being that there will be better in-game tournament management later. I wasn't going for a simple "Nope, eventually." answer.

That being said, I'm glad to see people thinking of solutions rather than just stating the "problem" without offering a way around it.

[Freakiie]

[quote name='kizhaz' timestamp='1366629043' post='300656']
yes except this wouldn't be limited. you'll still see your snorlax's, starmies, exeggutors, ect. just not in the same team.
+ i doubt people will spend that much time getting 6000 GC coins just to get the hidden power, that may or may not be what they want, for a single tourney.
[/quote]

Most off the competitive players will go through the "effort" off getting precise IVs on any off their competitives, thus HP for them is not a gamble it's just a matter off luck. Or do I have to remind you how the Eevee showdown was won? HP Ground Umbreon GG flareons/jolteons. Also you'd still get the same issue as the Eevee cup that every fight has pretty much the same teams, unless you give every player a random type to compete with which would just be stupid since it would make the tournament rely 100% on getting the right match up.

And I assume the same type goes for an entire round (Cuz otherwise you'd be rather screwed if you'd roll something like fire team vs water team) so in the end it'll still be exactly the same as the Eevee showdown since every type doesn't have more than a few actual competitive pokemon.

[quote name='Patrick' timestamp='1366629472' post='300663']
I appreciate that you are trying to support solutions that could work but the fact is that most or all temporary solutions so far are more flawed than the current system(s).

The post of mine that I assume you were responding to is regarding specialised event staff - the fact of the matter is, neither is a good solution to perceived event management problems.

Let's assume that a 64-player tournament won't have any no-shows (despite experience to the contrary) for the sake of argument. The last 64-player official tournament took about 3 hours with (as I recall) 2 matches running at a time. The simplest way to reduce the tournament time is to run more of the early matches at once, right? [b]Problem is, you need more CM adjudicators present for that to happen [/b](keeping in mind that the staff don't live in one timezone), it's more to organise, etc.

The proposed solution as I interpreted it was to hire a team of "event mods" to run events in place of the current staff. My response gave two reasons why it wouldn't happen - [b]the first being that it's unnecessary as the CMs and GMs are more than capable[/b], and the second being that there will be better in-game tournament management later. I wasn't going for a simple "Nope, eventually." answer.

That being said, I'm glad to see people thinking of solutions rather than just stating the "problem" without offering a way around it.
[/quote]

I bolded the part I really don't get.

First you say you need more staff present which is troublesome and then you state your current staff has no trouble. Which exactly is it? Or do you mean that for the current setup you got enough staff, but not for an increased set up? In that case I'd say the event staff point sticks since current event size doesn't seem large enough anymore. I'm not sure if 64 people would show (although with the rare shinies we've seen lately it's not unlikely), so do you have the staff to run a 64 man, 4 matches a time tournament or not? That's kinda the question.

Also may I ask what the big issue is with temporarily appointing some players as official referees? I really don't see how this would be worse than what we currently have where only half the people that want to join a tournament can enter it. I'm sure there would be a few people willing to ref the occasional tournament.

[Patrick]

[quote name='Freakiie' timestamp='1366632998' post='300704']I bolded the part I really don't get.

First you say you need more staff present which is troublesome and then you state your current staff has no trouble. Which exactly is it?[/quote]

The second part that you highlighted was about replacing the current staff (for events), not about hiring a whole extra set of staff in addition to the current. I apologise for any confusion on that count. As for getting an additional set of staff for the purpose - I don't think we will hire another whole roster of staff with the sole purpose of running large tournaments, especially as a "temporary fix".

By the way, yes, 32-player tournaments can be run smoothly with our current staff, so the proposed solution would only be for [i]64-player tournaments[/i] (a small slice overall of the Official Events cake).

[quote name='Freakiie' timestamp='1366632998' post='300704']so do you have the staff to run a 64 man, 4 matches a time tournament or not? That's kinda the question.[/quote]

Yes, we probably do, but there are reasons not to, and one of them is the required supervising staff. Others have already been mentioned (eg. no-shows, time constraints/unreliability).

[Kizhaz]

[quote name='Freakiie' timestamp='1366632998' post='300704']
Most off the competitive players will go through the "effort" off getting precise IVs on any off their competitives
[/quote]

thats very unlikely. nobody that even remotely has a life would spend that much time on a pokemon they might only use once. Most people would use the competitive pokemon they already own.

[quote name='Freakiie' timestamp='1366632998' post='300704']
Also you'd still get the same issue as the Eevee cup that every fight has pretty much the same teams.
[/quote]

the eevee cup gave you a choice between the use of 6 pokemon. my idea still allows the use of every pokemon. (besides slacking obviously). so no, it is not the same.

[quote name='Freakiie' timestamp='1366632998' post='300704']
And I assume the same type goes for an entire round (Cuz otherwise you'd be rather screwed if you'd roll something like fire team vs water team) so in the end it'll still be exactly the same as the Eevee showdown since every type doesn't have more than a few actual competitive pokemon.
[/quote]

no, it basically does rely on sheer luck of whether you get a type advantage but that is part of the fun. you can still beat pokemon with a type advantage, understandably it would be much harder but it is possible especially with the use of dual type pokemon. besides your allowed to train more than one team, so just try to be unpredictable.

just keep in mind i am merely suggesting an idea to answer the question in this thread. but hey everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[spoiler] btw i'm not trying to have a go at you, i'm sorry if it seems like i am [/spoiler]

[Dannnno]

[quote name='kizhaz' timestamp='1366637278' post='300771']
thats very unlikely. nobody that even remotely has a life would spend that much time on a pokemon they might only use once. Most people would use the competitive pokemon they already own.
[/quote]

Are you new here? Most competitive players would spend that much time on a pokemon they might only use once, not to mention that lots of the big players of pokemmo probably don't have lives considering how much time it takes to be as competitive as they are...

[CipherWeston]

We should have a tournament that has no clauses, or any banned Pokemon.

[romuldo]

[quote name='CipherWeston' timestamp='1366651864' post='301102']
We should have a tournament that has no clauses, or any banned Pokemon.
[/quote]
Can I bring 7 Slakings?
And use full restores and revives when I feel like it?

[CipherWeston]

[quote name='romuldo' timestamp='1366653177' post='301135']
Can I bring 7 Slakings?
And use full restores and revives when I feel like it?
[/quote]
Longest tournament ever.

[Dougington]

[quote name='CipherWeston' timestamp='1366651864' post='301102']
We should have a tournament that has no clauses, or any banned Pokemon.
[/quote]
No

[Volpi]

[quote name='romuldo' timestamp='1366653177' post='301135']
Can I bring 7 Slakings?
And use full restores and revives when I feel like it?
[/quote]

I dont think you can bring 7 slakings with or without clauses. It just sounds like it would be impossible. Tournament or not.

[Heavenol]

Imagine a tournament where you duel the staff, haha

First you will face the lowest rank a staff member can have, and eventually you would face the higher ranked staff.

If two challengers manages to climb to the top, they will have to duel each other. The winner will have to face Desu or Gizmo in a pokemon duel.

[CipherWeston]

[quote name='Heavenol' timestamp='1366659902' post='301346']
Imagine a tournament where you duel the staff, haha

First you will face the lowest rank a staff member can have, and eventually you would face the higher ranked staff.

If two challengers manages to climb to the top, they will have to duel each other. The winner will have to face Desu or Gizmo in a pokemon duel.
[/quote]
Would it include their Pokemon they can spawn, or Pokemon that is available to us?

[Dannnno]

[quote name='CipherWeston' timestamp='1366660560' post='301360']
Would it include their Pokemon they can spawn, or Pokemon that is available to us?
[/quote]

All ubers

[Heavenol]

[quote name='CipherWeston' timestamp='1366660560' post='301360']
Would it include their Pokemon they can spawn, or Pokemon that is available to us?
[/quote]

Only Gizmo/Desu would have uber pokemon. But to make things a little more fair, I suppose the challenger is allowed to use some items such as Hyper Potions and Revives. Of course, you would only be able to use the items few times.

[Dannnno]

[quote name='Heavenol' timestamp='1366701294' post='302352']
Only Gizmo/Desu would have uber pokemon. But to make things a little more fair, I suppose the challenger is allowed to use some items such as Hyper Potions and Revives. Of course, you would only be able to use the items few times.
[/quote]

well your suggestion was that the winner would fight gizmo or desu :L

[iSmashbro]

[quote name='Dannnno' timestamp='1366701722' post='302360']
well your suggestion was that the winner would fight gizmo or desu :L
[/quote]
Or Kudasai
[spoiler]Green Latios[/spoiler]

[Heavenol]

[quote name='Dannnno' timestamp='1366701722' post='302360']
well your suggestion was that the winner would fight gizmo or desu :L
[/quote]

Oh woops, forgot the prizes.

I suppose it could be another shiny, I donnu.

[Dannnno]

This suggestion is relatively minor, but is related to how much [s]bitching[/s] constructive criticism has been floating around due to decisions regarding official tournaments. I was thinking if there was a slightly different system to how those are decided we could [s]eliminate[/s] hopefully-maybe-probablynot minimize people's unhappiness.

A few ideas.
1. The winner of the prior tournament can decide on the theme of the next one (ou/uu/whatever) as long as it is different from the one they won
2. The tourneys are announced as 'official 50s' tournament, and then players vote, and a week later its announced and then registration and such
3. Same as above but the voting occurs post registration and the people who successfully register and the reserves get to vote on it

[fany]

regarding the new registration implemented in petit cup:

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]strychnine imo if we do something like that for a registration i think we should make the registration date earlier. Like jag sad, it would be extremely ridiculous if we prepare for a team right now and by the 2nd of may we're not gonna be able to play because a lot of people registered.[/font][/color]

[font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#282828"]in short - that registration might system might work, but make it early (so as not to waste early preparations of people who might not get in)[/color][/font]

[Munya]

Or they can just post the brackets within an hour of the first 15 minutes ending so you can know if you are in or not- since it only takes the first 15 minutes into consideration.

[xLuKeYx]

Since the Petite Cup is a 64 man tournament, you could even perhaps have 2 registration periods, and allocate 32 places in each one, then randomise the brackets afterwards (This is a stolen idea from an unofficial tournament. Although I can't remember which tournament it was, apologies for stealing your idea).

[seanis]

How About a Tourney only for Team leaders a 6v6 Mixed Battles(3 OU Pokes and 3UU Pokes) 32 or 16 contestants

1st Prize:Leader Hall of fame, a Shiny ,and a Reserved Place in Next Offical Event
2nd Prize: x3 of all GC Tms

[veganatidae]

This probably sounds really sissy, but... how about a fashion show type thing, where people judge the look of contestants' characters, the vanity items and all that, they give a score, most points wins. :3

[uMadBro]

I am too lazy to go through all the post, but can the team tournament be changed into 5v5 players?  The team with 3 wins advances. The only thing you need are more refs

[Jag]

Since the Petite Cup is a 64 man tournament, you could even perhaps have 2 registration periods, and allocate 32 places in each one, then randomise the brackets afterwards (This is a stolen idea from an unofficial tournament. Although I can't remember which tournament it was, apologies for stealing your idea).

 

 

This^. There's really no reason not to do a 2 registration period for any 64 person tourney. In fact I think even 32 man tourneys should just have 2 registration periods of 16 people each.

 

The only drawback that can be made is that it allows people to register multiple times, but that happens anyways. In one tourney ThinkNice got the 1st spot and the 33rd spot too.

 

The Pros to do as way too much. The common registration time for officials (5 PM EDT) comes at a time where those on the west coast are still getting out of school, people with full time jobs are usually just getting out of work, and people on the Eastern part of the world are staying up to 5 AM just to sign up.

 

If you post 2 registration times. 1 6 hours after the other. West Coast will be at 8 PM, EDT is 11 PM, and AEST is at 11 AM. There's less of a need to even try to sacrifice something (whether it be sleep or getting out of work/school early) just to sign up.