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Nerf of MiniBoss's Spawn Rate from Halloween 2021.


caioxlive13

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It sounds kind of weird but yeah, we're asking, calling for a nerf from a farm. The biggest problem is that it's extremely easy to farm the Special Candys, but it's costing the market a lot, and affecting how much profit we can make in halloween, which we prepare for 1 year, harming those who prepared and will be at a loss for it.
 

The Nerf we ask is just to increase the cooldown to show new minibosses, which arrived on Halloween 2021. Thus, their Spawn decreases and with that, they sell more candy than they can put on the market, thus inflating again the price that should never have left of the $300,000.

To you see the prblem, before Event starts, the price of a Candy is $250.000 - $325.000.

And This is the Price of Candys, day 31/10/2021(Day/Month/Year) at 16:00 BRT: 
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And now, 03:15 BRT, the price is close to $30.000

PT-BR Translate/Tradução PT-BR:

Pareçe loucura, mas Sim, estamos pedindo o nerf de um farm. O Maior problema é que tá facil demais farmar os doces especiais, porem isso custa bastante para o mercado,e afetando quanto a gente lucraria no final do Halloween, e quem sai na Pior é quem tá desde o fim do Ano Novo Lunar 2020-21 preparando-se pro evento, que vai sair no prejuizo.

O Nerf que estamos pedindo é apenas para fazer demorar mais pra um novo miniboss apareçer, assim diminuindo o quanto que é farmado deles,ai como a demanda por eles é mais alta que a Oferta disponivel, vão passar a mão nos doces mais baratos do mercado. 

Pra ter ideia do nivel da desvalorização do item:
Antes do evento,custava $300.000.

Dia 31/10, as 16:05:
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E agora, 03:30 da Noite no Horario de Brasilia, tá abaixo de 25k.

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At the end of the day it's down to the community to set the prices, alongside Supply and Demand.

 

Last year the prices were around 200 - 250k in order to fight the bosses, with the prices of the Pumpking Goodie Bags being similar anyway. In my opinion this is better because it encourages players to go for the big prizes and the lower prices makes it better / easier for them to do this.

 

Plus, the RNG drop was really low for the Special Candies in previous years. Now, in theory you could farm around 4-6 special candies within an hour, which adds up to a similar price anyway (150-200k) - this is assuming you have access to all the regions.

 

Battling the Pumpking boss

25k investment (special candy or free if you farm) > 5 goodie bags (100-150k) > 5 pumpking goodie bags (around 500k) of course the cost of items plays a factor.

 

Now compare this to last year.

 

2020

200-250k investment (special candy or free if you farm) > 5 goodie bags (around 200 - 250k) > 5 pumpking goodie bags (around 500 - 600k) of course the cost of items plays a factor.

 

The new prices enables you to afford an additional 9 special candies to fight the boss for similar rewards.

 

TLDR - I don't think there's an issue with this, in fact it's better this year. If you want to invest try and battle the boss or farm goodie bags.

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6 hours ago, Imperial said:

At the end of the day it's down to the community to set the prices, alongside Supply and Demand.

 

Last year the prices were around 200 - 250k in order to fight the bosses, with the prices of the Pumpking Goodie Bags being similar anyway. In my opinion this is better because it encourages players to go for the big prizes and the lower prices makes it better / easier for them to do this.

 

Plus, the RNG drop was really low for the Special Candies in previous years. Now, in theory you could farm around 4-6 special candies within an hour, which adds up to a similar price anyway (150-200k) - this is assuming you have access to all the regions.

 

Battling the Pumpking boss

25k investment (special candy or free if you farm) > 5 goodie bags (100-150k) > 5 pumpking goodie bags (around 500k) of course the cost of items plays a factor.

 

Now compare this to last year.

 

2020

200-250k investment (special candy or free if you farm) > 5 goodie bags (around 200 - 250k) > 5 pumpking goodie bags (around 500 - 600k) of course the cost of items plays a factor.

 

The new prices enables you to afford an additional 9 special candies to fight the boss for similar rewards.

 

TLDR - I don't think there's an issue with this, in fact it's better this year. If you want to invest try and battle the boss or farm goodie bags.

The problem is: some players spend much money with RP and Mons to farm pumpking, based on 2020's Halloween. 
But halloween are changed, type and mechanic of pumpking has been changed, needing a new Strategy.
And some players invested in teams to steal kid's Candys, and now he have a lost of money, because items lost value.

 

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16 minutes ago, caioxlive13 said:

The problem is: some players spend much money with RP and Mons to farm pumpking, based on 2020's Halloween. 

The event has been pretty much the same since 2015/16, more and more players are just coming to terms with this.

 

Also, people invest in RP for the limited vanities, which are the same for the Christmas and CNY events.

 

16 minutes ago, caioxlive13 said:

But halloween are changed, type and mechanic of pumpking has been changed, needing a new Strategy.

 

Well this happened because of your previous comment - the devs didn't want to make it too predictable as more people will know the strats, however from what I've heard there's hardly any changes to the boss in 'hard mode'.

 

16 minutes ago, caioxlive13 said:

And some players invested in teams to steal kid's Candys, and now he have a lost of money, because items lost value.

 

The teams are still the same to beat the kids candies, so this makes no sense whatsoever. The teams slightly changed for the pumpking boss, because of the species clause rule.

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30 minutes ago, Imperial said:

The teams are still the same to beat the kids candies, so this makes no sense whatsoever. The teams slightly changed for the pumpking boss, because of the species clause rule.

but because it is easier to found a strategy to beat pumpking, and special candys didn't value anything, the price of Goodie Bags will obvilious fall

 

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19 minutes ago, caioxlive13 said:

but because it is easier to found a strategy to beat pumpking, and special candys didn't value anything, the price of Goodie Bags will obvilious fall

 

But if it's easier to beat Pumpking, you earn more goodie bags than you would from fighting kids.

 

You have no basis to counter-argument me.

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19 minutes ago, Imperial said:

But if it's easier to beat Pumpking, you earn more goodie bags

You are correct, but Offer for him > Demand, Looking for him
Players put in market more than other players buy him. so, the price competition happen and the price with this, go low.

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easier to get special candy(more candy than other year) + boss harder than last year (so people are bored to do it then less people buy special candy) create this situation , probably a bad move from devs imo because it makes the event less profitable and less enjoyable 

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5 hours ago, caioxlive13 said:

And some players invested in teams to steal kid's Candys, and now he have a lost of money, because items lost value.

 

You don't need any particular team to beat the kids, just a lvl 100 pokemon should be able to beat them all (I used Gengar and Dragonite)

And about the fact boss changed, it does every year, so if you invested on a specific team for last year's boss then you're at fault for over preparing without knowing if the event will even happen.

 

It only makes sense that if they made the boss fight much harder, they'd also make rare candies decrease in price so you get more attempts to beat the boss, and to do that the logical solution is to put guaranteed drops. I'm not saying this change is good, but it makes sense 

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4 hours ago, caioxlive13 said:

The problem is: some players spend much money with RP and Mons to farm pumpking, based on 2020's Halloween. 
But halloween are changed, type and mechanic of pumpking has been changed, needing a new Strategy.
And some players invested in teams to steal kid's Candys, and now he have a lost of money, because items lost value.

 

And so what? This week I bred the wrong pokémon and lost a 4x31 by mistake. Can I have a refund too? Once I sold an item for a price way lower of it's market price because I put one wrong number, should they nerf trade too? 

You and other players tried to play the market and exploit it but you failed to predict its movement and wasted your money. That's on you buddy, not on the game, not on the community. You bet it, you take it. If they did something that skyrocket the prices even more you wouldn't been here complaining about it. What you really wanna say here is "hey ADM, so we did a mistake and we regret it. So can you take it from everybody to favor a few because we feel entitled to profit in an event that was supposed to be for the whole community".

No, it wasn't a mistake to make an event less profitable and more accessible to everyone. It's an event that's supposed to be for the whole server to be part of it, not just a few rich players that can dominate the market. You already have all other areas of the game to explore it, don't take away something just because YOU can't enjoy and profit from it.

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1 hour ago, iBiscoitinho said:

E daí? Esta semana criei o pokémon errado e perdi um 4x31 por engano. Também posso ter um reembolso? Depois de vender um item por um preço muito inferior ao de mercado porque coloquei um número errado, eles deveriam negociar também? 

Você e outros jogadores tentaram jogar no mercado e explorá-lo, mas falhou em prever seu movimento e desperdiçou seu dinheiro. Isso é com você, amigo, não no jogo, não na comunidade. Pode apostar, você pega. Se eles fizessem algo que disparasse ainda mais os preços, você não estaria aqui reclamando. O que você realmente quer dizer aqui é "Ei, ADM, cometemos um erro e nos arrependemos. Então, você pode aceitar que todos favoreçam alguns porque nos sentimos no direito de lucrar em um evento que deveria ser para toda a comunidade "

Não, não foi um erro tornar um evento menos lucrativo e mais acessível a todos. É um evento que deveria ser para que todo o servidor fizesse parte dele, não apenas alguns jogadores ricos que podem dominar o mercado. Você já tem todas as outras áreas do jogo para explorá-lo, não tire algo só porque VOCÊ não pode aproveitar e lucrar com isso.

First: The event is not maked to any people farm on it and get rich in a Few Seconds. Is an event to Players that play the game for a long time farm with it and get little more rich, Beating the pumpking or farming and Sell Candys/bags. Ist't without reason that devs difficult more the pumpking. The pumpking already have Eternatus EternaMax's Base Stat, and with OP Abilitys and Allies with broken mechanics, beat him is a challenge for Experts, and now with this changes, unforteanly we can't make money that we are waiting one year to make, much more than we can get if are Gym farming in Halloween.

Second: In fact, the economy is broken now. Begginers don't know how market works, and sell desesperatedy things that are easy to farm, for small prices, comparing to your prices actually, but this affect market. Not without reason that Candys lost value, but Pumpking's Goodie Bags no.
 

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1 hour ago, caioxlive13 said:

First: The event is not maked to any people farm on it and get rich in a Few Seconds. Is an event to Players that play the game for a long time farm with it and get little more rich, Beating the pumpking or farming and Sell Candys/bags. Ist't without reason that devs difficult more the pumpking. The pumpking already have Eternatus EternaMax's Base Stat, and with OP Abilitys and Allies with broken mechanics, beat him is a challenge for Experts, and now with this changes, unforteanly we can't make money that we are waiting one year to make, much more than we can get if are Gym farming in Halloween.

Second: In fact, the economy is broken now. Begginers don't know how market works, and sell desesperatedy things that are easy to farm, for small prices, comparing to your prices actually, but this affect market. Not without reason that Candys lost value, but Pumpking's Goodie Bags no.
 

You got your wish, looking forward to your next topic complaining.

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This complaint is actually complete non sense. Hypothetically, you could farm before 10 special candies in 2 hours and sell each special candy for 20k. Hypothetically, you can now farm 5 special candies in 2 hours and sell each special candy for 40k. At the end of the day, you get exactly 200k profit for 2 hours of effort. If you think increasing or diminishing the spawn rate of special candies is going to make anyone wealthier, you are just a fool.

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On 11/1/2021 at 7:16 AM, Imperial said:

At the end of the day it's down to the community to set the prices, alongside Supply and Demand.

 

Last year the prices were around 200 - 250k in order to fight the bosses, with the prices of the Pumpking Goodie Bags being similar anyway. In my opinion this is better because it encourages players to go for the big prizes and the lower prices makes it better / easier for them to do this.

 

Plus, the RNG drop was really low for the Special Candies in previous years. Now, in theory you could farm around 4-6 special candies within an hour, which adds up to a similar price anyway (150-200k) - this is assuming you have access to all the regions.

 

Battling the Pumpking boss

25k investment (special candy or free if you farm) > 5 goodie bags (100-150k) > 5 pumpking goodie bags (around 500k) of course the cost of items plays a factor.

 

Now compare this to last year.

 

2020

200-250k investment (special candy or free if you farm) > 5 goodie bags (around 200 - 250k) > 5 pumpking goodie bags (around 500 - 600k) of course the cost of items plays a factor.

 

The new prices enables you to afford an additional 9 special candies to fight the boss for similar rewards.

 

TLDR - I don't think there's an issue with this, in fact it's better this year. If you want to invest try and battle the boss or farm goodie bags.

i forgot to mention: To you that are buying the Candys, fighting with pumpking, and sell bags, won't make any change.
But for people that are Sellpng Candys only, that can affect the farm, leaving players to sell the candy only in the final day to see if earn more money, at least 20% of estimated money earned.

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9 hours ago, caioxlive13 said:

i forgot to mention: To you that are buying the Candys, fighting with pumpking, and sell bags, won't make any change.
But for people that are Sellpng Candys only, that can affect the farm, leaving players to sell the candy only in the final day to see if earn more money, at least 20% of estimated money earned.

After search, i found the Buy Premier Time. BRT 20:00 - 06:00 , or 23:00 - 09:00 UTC.
Outside of this premier time, the price of candy is 50% lower of the price from Premier Time.
Obvilious benefit CN and Asian Players, but players from the Americas, especially the south that have one of the two chats, 90% of time dead(ES Chat is 90% of time Dead, and the other chat is only PT.), can't benefit from the premier time, in the Event's First, second and Third day. Only solve it in the lasts 2 day of event , that sell of candys is Extremelly increased, in All timezones.

Because this reason, We depend of high price of Candys, because our timezone, is disfavorable. But with easy farm, it can't be possible. I thanks for staff because he nerfed Miniboss Farming, to make less farmable the item and increase the price here, when the item sell it is not too high.

Then you may be asking: What is the difference between good and bad times for sales? The problem is: Out of good times, the market is not heated and selling things all the time. Then the Special Candy starts to lower the price to suit the demand and sell at an acceptable rate. Those from Brazil know that more at night, the price of sweets reaches $40,000, but in the morning here in Brazil, between 09:00 - 15:00 UTC, the price is usually close to $25,000.                                                      

It ends up being unfavorable to anyone outside the Heated Market Area (where the period of high sales passes during the day in that region), who have no option but to buy candy outside of hours and wait until the hours to keep putting candy in the GTL to sell.

And one way of balancing is nerfing, because as I said, outside the hot market hours, the price usually falls in half, and nerfing changes the price to both sides (Ex: Currently the price is 20 off hours, 40 on hours , but if the price goes to 40 outside of good hours, at the good hours it becomes 80, that is, the price increases for both, so it is profitable also for those who buy outside of good hours to sell at the right time, leaving the same for those who go after hours nobleman, having an idea of how much it will be worth, can drop the candy in the morning and hope that it sold the other day. Besides, with less sales and high demand, benefits those who stock Candy to sell.)

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