TohnR Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Some people need to check what tiers are for. If a Pokemon is used in an upper tier it deserved to be in said tier. That's the point The only question that should be asked is whether a pokemon can drop to a lower (hence weaker) tier or if its too good for that. Link to comment
Huargensy Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Rigox507 said: ¿Why not? Link to comment
jvxyz Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 I agree with the changes that will take place. Link to comment
Coge Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 6/28/2021 at 7:22 PM, ThinkNicer said: Then it makes even less sense. Pokemon that are good in OU are not necessarily good in UU, I don't need to tell you that. Otherwise we can throw tiers out of the window and drop down anything that wouldnt be broken in the established lower tiers, like Mandibuzz, Cofagrigus, Jellicent, Infernape, Chandelure, Jolteon etc Your explanation doesn't make sense in the aero situation because it has a low usage rate in both uu and nu. The sole reason it moves to ou is the niche suicide lead role. All the mons you mentioned will never drop to nu in the first place, and even if it ends up in nu it will get quick banned in no time. Axelgor, FighterChamp and SweeTforU 3 Link to comment
Munya Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 These changes are live in game btw. Link to comment
SweeTforU Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Ok got a question, if aero gonna have low usage and needs to drop, does it drop to uu or nu? Zerooo and Axelgor 2 Link to comment
LifeStyleNORE Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 ban Dugtrio TohnR, Huargensy, Quinn010 and 6 others 9 Link to comment
SweeTforU Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 6/28/2021 at 11:08 AM, Munya said: It would make even less sense for it to move up to a tier it doesn't have the usage to be in based on the usage of another tier. 1 hour ago, Munya said: UU This feels dumb Axelgor, Coge and CaptnBaklava 3 Link to comment
Mkns1070 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, SweeTforU said: This feels dumb It’s already happens one time with ludicolo gbwead 1 Link to comment
ThinkNicer Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 7 hours ago, Coge said: Your explanation doesn't make sense in the aero situation because it has a low usage rate in both uu and nu. The sole reason it moves to ou is the niche suicide lead role. All the mons you mentioned will never drop to nu in the first place, and even if it ends up in nu it will get quick banned in no time. Uh ok. But I was talking about UU with the drops. And having a great niche in an upper tier is enough of a reason for a mon to be moved up if it is used enough. Aero enables HO to put on incredible Pressure (heh) from the start of the game more than any other mon, that's a pretty good niche. Link to comment
RysPicz Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 4 hours ago, LifeStyleNORE said: ban Dugtrio This ThinkNicer and HumongousNoodle 2 Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Mkns1070 said: It’s already happens one time with ludicolo ludicolo LC next month FighterChamp 1 Link to comment
Umbramol Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 6/28/2021 at 9:12 PM, Matthzinxl said: UU is the Best metagame ? Umbreon Vaporeon Torkoal Bronzong Dusclops Spiritomb Empoleon Swampert Gastrodon Donphan Lanturn Snorlax Porygon2 Metagross Sigyliph Gigalith And now, tentacruel This guy listed all the walls in uu lmfao Link to comment
Huargensy Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 6/28/2021 at 1:12 PM, Matthzinxl said: UU is the Best metagame ? Umbreon Vaporeon Torkoal Bronzong Dusclops Spiritomb Empoleon Swampert Gastrodon Donphan Lanturn Snorlax Porygon2 Metagross Sigyliph Gigalith And now, tentacruel If it weren't for you I didn't know the walls in uu, I appreciate it HumongousNoodle 1 Link to comment
Munya Posted July 2, 2021 Author Share Posted July 2, 2021 Make your arguments as to why dugtrio should be banned to BL2 instead of just saying to ban it MiraiZura 1 Link to comment
ThinkNicer Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Make your arguments why it, in Arceus' name, should ever stay Link to comment
Munya Posted July 2, 2021 Author Share Posted July 2, 2021 My world revolves around usage, its on you all to present evidence outside of that, or use it too thats fine as well, if you want something banned. Currently its not sitting at some outrageous usage amount from my perspective. Link to comment
TohnR Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Munya said: My world revolves around usage, its on you all to present evidence outside of that, or use it too thats fine as well, if you want something banned. Currently its not sitting at some outrageous usage amount from my perspective. Reminder that TC laughted at people like me who argued about not allowing Dugtrio when it dropped (quickbanning). So now you expect people to try providing arguments ? They ain't even considered There's no escaping "Ban X" messages now Edited July 2, 2021 by TohnR Link to comment
Imperial Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Munya said: Make your arguments as to why dugtrio should be banned to BL2 instead of just saying to ban it Dugtrio has a decent base attack (80) and a very fast base speed (120), however the core problem we all know is it's uncompetitive ability - Arena Trap. Problem Dugtrio can revenge kill many threats which faints a Pokemon and could potentially KO many more from the opposing team. This can ruin strategies and discourage offensive playstyles a player may have, as they will be aware that if they kill a Pokemon, the Dugtrio user can just instantly kill it. A range of commonly used offensive Pokemon in NU which are prone to ground types: Blaziken Magmortar Typhlosion Drapion Houndoom Manectric (I can get the statistics for the previous seasons when I log in to justify this) Choice scarf Dugtrio - This is the item I will use due to its capability to outspeed scarf Typhlosion (100), Manectric (105) and Blaziken (80) by having a base speed of 120, although some may run Choice Band. We will assume that rocks are safely on the field, but will compare the calcs without. 252 Atk Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Typhlosion: 152-182 (98.7 - 118.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO 252 Atk Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Typhlosion: 152-182 (98.7 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Blaziken: 168-198 (107.6 - 126.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Drapion: 116-138 (79.4 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 Atk Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Drapion: 116-138 (79.4 - 94.5%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Magmortar: 170-204 (112.5 - 135%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Houndoom: 212-252 (140.3 - 166.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO *Although with enough attack EVs a Life Orb Houndoom can KO Dugtrio with a Sucker Punch 252 Atk Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 6 HP / 0 Def Manectric: 186-222 (127.3 - 152%) -- guaranteed OHKO Yes there are many ways to work around and stop Dugtrio, but players should not have to play safe with using certain Pokemon purely on the fact that they can be revenge killed in the next turn because of an uncompetitive ability compared to the skill of the opponent. So I should ask - what's a good reason to keep Dugtrio without using the statistics as a reason to unjustify its ban? Edited July 3, 2021 by Imperial Fixed Dugtrio's base attack to 80 not 100 PKTxKharma, HumongousNoodle, Zymogen and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment
Imperial Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Munya said: My world revolves around usage, its on you all to present evidence outside of that, or use it too thats fine as well, if you want something banned. Currently its not sitting at some outrageous usage amount from my perspective. That's understandable considering Lucario was about to be dropped into UU despite it being extremely centralising and potentially decimating many Pokemon in the tier. Link to comment
PedroLindoUnico Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 8 hours ago, Munya said: Make your arguments as to why dugtrio should be banned to BL2 instead of just saying to ban Dugtrio is fine, the problem is Arena Trap Link to comment
Akaruyo Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Imperial said: Dugtrio has a decent base attack (100) and a very fast base speed (120), however the core problem we all know is it's uncompetitive ability - Arena Trap. Dugtrio has base 80 here, not 100. Just quickpointing it. Imperial 1 Link to comment
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