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Hello there guys, returning player here. I was thrilled to see that this game is still up and running, and even grow in size. I wanted to enter the game again, and I definitely can't get into PvP because as you can see life happens to all of us and for me that means less time playing. So what I want to do is to have a fun, chill, but extremely challenging playthrough.

There is a good chance you might remember that someone with YouTube channel Pikasprey had attempted 6 Smeargle Run on both Pokemon Crystal and Fire Red. To sum it up quickly, It was hell, mainly because:
1. Smeargle has in total 250 Stats altogether. Yep, it's half the amount of pseudo-legendary total stats, which in world of Pokemon means that it's unusable
2. Smeargle can only learn the move Sketch every 10 levels. While in PvP battle this might be great because it adds to surprise element, in PvE this will be a nightmare because that means you are locked to only certain moveset for at least 10 levels, and most of the moves you're going to use doesn't have STAB
3. While Smeargle can literally learn any moves he see, he cannot learn it via TM/HM. This ramps up the complexity even further.

That being said, I think it would be interesting to attempt this run in PokeMMO, mainly because I believe this game is stable and I can trust my progress in this game will be somewhat safe. Playing online this also will be some kind of proof that I'm not cheating during this playthrough, unlike in ROMs/Emulators where you can use cheat codes/speed up. So, I want to ask you guys for some input:

1. Do you think this run is possible to finish?
2. Where should I start my journey?
3. Should I use in-battle items or no?

And generally any feedback will be appreciated! I am hyped to start this challenge soon, but first I want to hear you opinion on this run. Good day!

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1)yup , it's possible imo

2)I would say hoenn as you'll need more smeargle when you clear a region and move to next one due to level caps, or what you can do is , clear 4 gyms in 1 region , then do the same for all , in the order , hoenn, unova, sinnoh and then kanto.

This will reduce the smeargles that you have to breed cause the level caps are in ascending order in the regions I mentioned above.

 3)I probably wouldn't want a person to use heal items in a challenge , but since I never tried smeargle in pokemmo, I'm not sure about how hard it's gonna be.

So better to try the first 3-4 gyms of the region you start with , without using heal items and see how you're doing.

If it's going to be a stream on YouTube or twitch , I can donate the in battle items 

Good luck ^^

 

P.s Don't use endeavour+sucker punch xD that ruins the fun

 

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Oh hi, thanks for the feedback BlueZacian! Reading on it gives me some more insight on what I want to do, and yeah I think it's important to start slow on first 4 gyms. No item during battle probably gonna be hard, but I respect the point of view. As for streaming I might do so, but I will keep my journey updated through this post. 

 

So what I want to do is breed me some Smeargles for my run, or probably buy it if one is available for sale. I think nature and EVs will be important so somewhere along the playthrough I need to take EV training seriously. What do you think? 

 

And of course, more feedback would be great! 

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When you're using something with stats as poor as Smeargle's, moves/strategies that don't rely on its offensive stats will likely get you the furthest.

 

-Flat damage like Night Shade, Seismic Toss, Dragon Rage, Super Fang, and Endeavor (especially with Endure).

-Damaging status moves like Toxic combined with stalling moves like Protect/Detect, Substitute, healing moves, or the strategy below.

-Luck-based strategies, especially evasion. Paralysis and confusion are worth considering too. If you make a luck Smeargle, it'll likely be one of your most reliable.

-Destiny Bond. A one for one trade will be worth it most of the time, and it's rare that a trainer has a full party so this can outright win you most battles if 5/6 have it.

-Disable can buy you a turn and make something threatening much less of a threat. Use Protect/Detect first for safety or Encore if you want to make them Struggle.

 

If you don't allow the usage of the GTL (it'd be against the spirit of the challenge to use it imo), you can farm useful held items from a lot of wilds. In Hoenn for example, the Wurmples have a chance to carry BrightPowder, which will likely be your best item choice for most of the game. Machops later on can also be found carrying Focus Band, which while unreliable, can work well with Endeavor strategies. The Pokedex is your friend if you've got a character you've caught everything on, it'll show you the moves and held items carried by wilds.

 

Certain trainer classes have access to non-level-up moves, it's probably worth keeping a sketch available where possible in case you see something you like.

 

Potions and revives let you buy your way past an otherwise difficult battle, it'd be more interesting not to allow them mid-battle, or at least to heavily limit them. No trainer ever has more than two items during the storyline, and they never use Revives.

 

If you want to copy moves from one Smeargle to another, you can do this in double battles. In Unova, they're easy to find in dark grass. In other regions though, you'll be relying on trainers and trainer rematches. You can also copy moves by encountering a wild Ditto, but remember that it copies the speed stat of what it transforms into, so be careful if you use this method - you might get the wrong move if you're slower. Hoenn is the most difficult region to access double battles in - while there are a few during the storyline, it's the only region without rematches for every trainer, and it has no wild Ditto until postgame.

 

The challenge sounds interesting, reminds me of the time a friend of mine tried to beat Unova with 6 Spinda. The fighting Elite Four member was where he hit a wall, but with Smeargle's versatility, it's almost certainly doable for you if you go in with a good strategy and a lot of luck.

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2 hours ago, Bobbi said:

 I think nature and EVs will be important so somewhere along the playthrough I need to take EV training seriously. What do you think? 

Yup, the challenge would be almost impossible without items and ev training, so you should focus on ev training.

That's fair

Or , if you want to make it challenging, you Don't, as iirc , you can get exp share pretty early in hoenn :D 

just make sure you collect it from Devon company after delivering parcel to steven

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22 minutes ago, BlueZacian said:

Also, don't use hack set smeargles like

(Spore , mean look, imprison and transform) xD

Although they're fun to use , but they just ruin the challenge :')

Banning strategies in a challenge all about finding strategies due to your poor stats isn't very good. This particular one is also very hard to set up when you've got the defenses of a wet paper bag.

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Oh wow, thank you guys, I didn't expect someone would be  interested at all with my endeavor. I have read both BlueZacian and Rachel's feedbacks, and you guys give me some important insight regarding how I will approach this challenge. So here are the first few steps I will do before I started the challenge:

 

1. I will either buy/catch 6 Smeargles and breed them so I get 6 Smeargle eggs

 

2. I hatch them and level them up to level 5, so some EV gained are unavoidable. Or I can just use rare candies, but I will see if that could be bought/gained without paying/investing time too much

 

3. I assume that trainer rebattles are valuable asset here, so I need to start in a region where they allow trainer rebattles every day

 

4. I will play the game up till the point where I can trade (in PokeMMO means after you get your first Pokemon?) Then I will trade all six Smeargle cubs which only knows Sketch

 

5. From then on I will try my best not to use in battle items except held items. I will also not use GTL for Pokemon buying purpose.

 

6. I know limiting moveset will be a challenge of its own, but to learn aa specific moveset alone will impose a problem of its own. For example, even though Endeavor + Sucker Punch is a sure kill move, the process to get those moves are not an easy one. One miscalculation and I might be stuck with the wrong move for the next 10 levels. 

 

7. I will try to play up until 4th gym and from there reassess our next step

 

I will post updates on my challenge run here, and start looking for my Smeargles soon. Of course any input from you guys will be valuable! 

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1 hour ago, Rache said:

Banning strategies in a challenge all about finding strategies due to your poor stats isn't very good. This particular one is also very hard to set up when you've got the defenses of a wet paper bag.

That's only if he's gonna use the items :0 , my bad I forgot to mention about it ^^'

Also, yup it's kinda hard to setup, but isn't it easy with sash , just needs 2-3 turns of sleep , and you're sure to take out one poke :thonking:

And , it wouldn't be viable against the e4 anyways imo.

So better to not waste a smeargle with the set  .-.

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1 hour ago, Bobbi said:

2. I hatch them and level them up to level 5, so some EV gained are unavoidable. Or I can just use rare candies, but I will see if that could be bought/gained without paying/investing time too much.

 Instead of buying rare candies, it would be better using ev reduction berries to get EVs to 0 if you want a full grind challenge. 

It's much cheaper 

Good luck for the challenge again ^^

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Ok guys, thanks for the input, now I can start the first step which is to get me some Smeargle pups. But of course this will be an evolving challenge, because I am walking on the unknown territory here. I know that most of the NPC have their battle redone by the developers, so I imagine this might be one of the hardest challenge in Pokemon world. I hope I don't lose my sanity along the way.

And as always, any input will be taken into account!

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So today is a nice day, I have some time to prepare my 6 Smeargle run by catching some Smeargle and breed them pretty much randomly so I get 6 lv1 Smeargle pups. 

 

I decided that the best place to catch Smeargle is from Artisan Cave located in Hoenn. But just when I was going there from Battle Frontier, I just realized that I don't have a proper Pokemon catcher (Level 100 Parasect with Spore and False Swipe or something similar), so I used my level 30 Venomoth which knows Sleep Powder and went there. 

 

It was atrocious. I didn't remember that catching Pokemon in this game could be so hard. On average to catch a Smeargle I need to waste 10 balls and 10-15 minutes. Don't ask me why, It just happened so laugh at me I guess. And when I catch one, this is what I got (Image 1, nice total IV there) 

 

After some thinking I decided that catching would take a long time, so I thought to myself, why don't I just buy from GTL? So I did. And boy they have lots of Smeargles laying around. But I was broke, like really broke, so I did some trainer rebattles on Sevii Island. It's not much, but hey it's an honest work! (Image 2, that's how much I get roughly from one battle) 

 

Doing trainer rebattles sure bring back memories, it almost felt nostalgic and at the same time I couldn't help but notice that lots of things have changed from before. But it makes me thrilled to think about the upcoming challenge, just to see how far can I go with this silly run. 

(Image 3, I felt bad for them, but nothing personal) 

 

I haven't got all my Smeargles yet because I can't play anymore for today, but tomorrow I will finish the Smeargle 'hunt' and hopefully start the journey soon! 

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Hi there. I see that you are doing an interesting challenge. Here's one suggestion: You can start in Hoenn, because its the easiest region to defeat with the easiest champion. To make it more interesting, give your smeargle Status moves such as Accupresure, Calm Mind or Agility, and Stored Power as its main attack (you should only be careful of Dark types tho). Anyways, its just an idea

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You need a lot of healing items. Good Luck
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39 minutes ago, RealMak said:

Hi there. I see that you are doing an interesting challenge. Here's one suggestion: You can start in Hoenn, because its the easiest region to defeat with the easiest champion. To make it more interesting, give your smeargle Status moves such as Accupresure, Calm Mind or Agility, and Stored Power as its main attack (you should only be careful of Dark types tho). Anyways, its just an idea

Oh thank you for the suggestion! I think I might try Hoenn to soften up the difficulty slope a bit. As for moves, your suggested moves are amazing! The hard part is to actually get the moves, because one of the rules I'm gonna use is I will be only getting moves from wild Pokemon/NPCs. But that being said, I might want to reassess the viability of my rules after 4th Gym. I will keep you guys updated! 

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4 minutes ago, Bobbi said:

 The hard part is to actually get the moves, because one of the rules I'm gonna use is I will be only getting moves from wild Pokemon/NPCs. 

Then your best bet would be getting encore on smeargle first.

Checking bulbapedia for the pokes that learn the specific move at low level , and spam encore , until the foe is encored with the move you want

Just flee if you encore wrong move ^^

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23 hours ago, BlueZacian said:

Damn , you're harsh

 

6 hours ago, RealMak said:

Dude... ya so mean?:disgustedasirpa:

Saying the truth/what is gonna happen(most possibility)doesn't mean I am rude or some heartless, bad mouth guy.

PokeMMO AIs aren't dumb even if someone manages to reach e4 with this strategy, there are certain points where speed will kill them.

So a straight forward answer might sound rude, harsh but it is truth as far I can imagine. It's totally fun/challange based but still can't change the answer(I think so). 

Good Luck with your run <3 

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36 minutes ago, FighterChamp said:

 

Saying the truth/what is gonna happen(most possibility)doesn't mean I am rude or some heartless, bad mouth guy.

PokeMMO AIs aren't dumb even if someone manages to reach e4 with this strategy, there are certain points where speed will kill them.

So a straight forward answer might sound rude, harsh but it is truth as far I can imagine. It's totally fun/challange based but still can't change the answer(I think so). 

Good Luck with your run <3 

Well, would have been impossible if there wasn't a community to help as great as pokemmo:berdsmug:

He got us to support if he needs money for smeargles or held items.

Or needs help with planning out strategies or something.

Somehow and anyhow , we're making this run a success.

 

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Completely possible challenge, though it'll take planning to get the moves you need at each stage of the region. Additionally, rules regarding HM usage; sketch or utility mons should be determined ahead of time so as optimise the challenge as best as possible.

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Wow, thank you guys for all the input! I mean yeah to be honest this run is horrible to do, I'd advise others not to do this and just see how it goes. With that being said, let's do some update, shall we?

So I have created all 6 Smeargles that I need for this run, and I have leveled them up to level 5. With that and some help from friends, I managed to start my journey on Hoenn region with my cute little Smeargles. For reference, here's their stats at level 5 so you can have some idea how bad it is (Image 1)

 

But what's a Smearlocke if we're not going to name them all right? So please say hi to the team: 
Seeger, Pascal, Water~, PETA, Zaiex, and Da Vinchi

 

We proceed to fight our first battle with May and turned out that we're doing pretty okay for Smeargle standards. Zaiex is the strongest of them all, and I managed to give it Tackle. Out of curiosity I also let Pascal learn Sand-Attack from Zigzagoon because why not? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Along the way PETA also learned Thief from some random trainer's Pokemon. What a coincidence. Somehow Seeger also decided to learn Growl, so from now on it can only yap cutely until it got to level 11

Then we walked our way through Petalburg Woods, and with the help of Zaiex we can pretty much made our way through easily. I think the fact that this cute beagle has Technician as its ability helps a lot. Here's the memento of our journey (Image 2) 

But the journey was no joke, Zaiex has taken some beating and even PETA got fainted from all that Thieving. As we walked outside the forest, the worst thing happened. We got distracted and a trainer came to stop us right on our tracks. He demanded battle. He demanded blood. All this happened while my Smeargles were in a bad shape, and the others are just not fit for fight yet. Zaiex tried his best but ultimately perished. It was all my fault.. (Image 3)

 

Defeated, we all ran back to Nurse Joy so we can get patched up and rest for now. Checking on my team, turned out they all have learned new moves: Da Vinchi had learned Shock Wave, and Water~ had learned Covet from that disastrous encounter. Looking at them I could see that they are tired and wants some rest for time being, so I let them sleep until the next day.. Hopefully we're able to do more action!


That's it for the update guys, see ya tomorrow!

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I'll be harsh, I'm with FighterChamp, I don't think this is possible.

 

I might be missing something but how is he supposed to learn his HMs? I don't think I've ever seen an AI use Cut, Rock Climb, Defog, etc. If he's using GTL to sketch utility mons or battling actual people who have the HMs on their Pokemon that's one thing, but through natural play against AI trainers? I don't see it.

 

Also yeah I don't see this beating the Elite 4. Even with Choice Items.

 

My first big roadblock was Tate & Liza at Mossdeep Gym in Hoenn because it's a double battle. I don't see you overcoming that either.

 

I could be wrong and might be forgetting something, but I think the inability to learn progression HMs in and of itself is reason for this run to fail.

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13 minutes ago, Bryce said:

I'll be harsh, I'm with FighterChamp, I don't think this is possible.

 

I might be missing something but how is he supposed to learn his HMs? I don't think I've ever seen an AI use Cut, Rock Climb, Defog, etc. If he's using GTL to sketch utility mons or battling actual people who have the HMs on their Pokemon that's one thing, but through natural play against AI trainers? I don't see it.

 

Also yeah I don't see this beating the Elite 4. Even with Choice Items.

 

My first big roadblock was Tate & Liza at Mossdeep Gym in Hoenn because it's a double battle. I don't see you overcoming that either.

 

I could be wrong and might be forgetting something, but I think the inability to learn progression HMs in and of itself is reason for this run to fail

Hey man, appreciate the opinion. For HMs obviously we're going to use slaves, and for other obstacles we will get by. Baby steps! 

 

But really, thanks for sharing, this makes me think about double battles. Eventhough it's hard, in my opinion it's still doable :D

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