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Don't unban Lucario thx :)

Not only is it uncheckable but it's also very hard to revenge kill, since it resists all the UU prios (besides Jet Azu, which is meh), and can threaten a large part of the scarfers with his own prios

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6 minutes ago, TohnR said:

Don't unban Lucario thx :)

Not only is it uncheckable but it's also very hard to revenge kill, since it resists all the UU prios (besides Jet Azu, which is meh), and can threaten a large part of the scarfers with his own prios

Besides this, it also can't be intimidated anymore by Krook, Staraptor or Arcanine. Which makes it almost impossible to Revenge Kill or handle. It's just a really bad idea... don't even think we should have to provide calcs to back it up. 

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If given the opportunity, there's a few mons that Lucario can set up on in UU. Obviously you can go for the chip and try to RK it afterwards, but even then there isn't that many reliable checks for it.

 

Lucario with SD / CC / Espeed / Ice Punch or Crunch references: 

 

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Flygon: 125-148 (80.6 - 95.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Krookodile: 139-165 (81.7 - 97%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Crobat: 127-151 (66.1 - 78.6%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Bronzong: 156-185 (89.6 - 106.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Jellicent: 190-226 (91.7 - 109.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Gligar: 187-224 (108.7 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Vaporeon: 231-274 (97.4 - 115.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Druddigon: 183-216 (99.4 - 117.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Donphan: 152-179 (77.1 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 146-172 (72.2 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 88-104 (59.8 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 8 HP / 0 Def Durant: 48-57 (35.8 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb burned Lucario Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 44-52 (29.9 - 35.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

 

Every team will probably end up running Slowbro/Clops/Jelli + Gligar to play around the physical set that's either lacking crunch or ice punch. The same applies to the special-oriented version as well (i.e. HP Ice vs. Dark Pulse in case you're dealing with Gligar or Clops). If it does get moved down, then you're pretty much expected to have two slots dedicated to deal with just this one mon. 

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Ah lucario is BL, I made this last night before going to sleep and asked if it was BL and nobody responded, its not moving, these movements are never set in stone except for ones that move UP, also you act like this isn't a usage based thing, nobody made the decision that Lucario magically has low enough usage to move down, you guys not using it did.


Removed from the list.


Also Unfortunately tier changes will happen before and the tournaments aren't smart enough to use old tiers yet.

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26 minutes ago, xSparkie said:

If given the opportunity, there's a few mons that Lucario can set up on in UU. Obviously you can go for the chip and try to RK it afterwards, but even then there isn't that many reliable checks for it.

 

Lucario with SD / CC / Espeed / Ice Punch or Crunch references: 

 

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Flygon: 125-148 (80.6 - 95.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Krookodile: 139-165 (81.7 - 97%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Crobat: 127-151 (66.1 - 78.6%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Bronzong: 156-185 (89.6 - 106.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Jellicent: 190-226 (91.7 - 109.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Gligar: 187-224 (108.7 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Vaporeon: 231-274 (97.4 - 115.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Druddigon: 183-216 (99.4 - 117.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Donphan: 152-179 (77.1 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 146-172 (72.2 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 88-104 (59.8 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 8 HP / 0 Def Durant: 48-57 (35.8 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Life Orb burned Lucario Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 44-52 (29.9 - 35.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

 

Every team will probably end up running Slowbro/Clops/Jelli + Gligar to play around the physical set that's either lacking crunch or ice punch. The same applies to the special-oriented version as well (i.e. HP Ice vs. Dark Pulse in case you're dealing with Gligar or Clops). If it does get moved down, then you're pretty much expected to have two slots dedicated to deal with just this one mon. 

D: It's people like you I fear going against in tournaments. Your plans are as calculated as chess.

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