champiom69 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Just follow the original Pokemon game's current tournament rules. Don't particularly need to ban or Nerf Pokemons/moves unless the official game does. Just revert back the changes made on Pokemons/move powers and follow the official game to obtain authenticity . If done changes, It defeats the purpose of being original and following the original game's tournament tier/pokemons/move powers. Tournaments are about strategy and not for someone's convince. Just my thought.... HermitG 1 Link to comment
EricRasp Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, champiom69 said: Just follow the original Pokemon game's current tournament rules. Don't particularly need to ban or Nerf Pokemons/moves unless the official game does. Just revert back the changes made on Pokemons/move powers and follow the official game to obtain authenticity . If done changes, It defeats the purpose of being original and following the original game's tournament tier/pokemons/move powers. Tournaments are about strategy and not for someone's convince. Just my thought.... Worst idea ever ... Let's move on shall we? Link to comment
Zymogen Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 4 hours ago, ThinkNicer said: Reform the TC to only have active players. Yw Bump razimove and LeJovi 2 Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 4 hours ago, ThinkNicer said: Reform the TC to only have active players. Yw @Munya stuff for you Link to comment
NikhilR Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) Thank you, gbwead, for being one of the few members of the council who actively participates in discussions. It sucks that we are in a position where we should feel grateful to have elicited a response from a council member, and if things stay the way they are, the future of this game looks bleak from a competitive perspective. I've only seen gbwead and kiwi give their viewpoint in this thread. I think Blue said something in the Hydreigon thread; I could be overlooking some posts from other members of the council, but it would be nice to know what the remaining viewpoints of the other council members are and why it is that they feel this way. There is hardly any transparency with regards to the functioning of the council, and so it is hard to call someone out on an uninformed stance. Edited August 29, 2020 by NikhilR MiraiZura, FighterChamp, AndrewHavsha and 16 others 19 Link to comment
Paulo300991 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 19 hours ago, champiom69 said: Just follow the original Pokemon game's current tournament rules. Don't particularly need to ban or Nerf Pokemons/moves unless the official game does. Just revert back the changes made on Pokemons/move powers and follow the official game to obtain authenticity . If done changes, It defeats the purpose of being original and following the original game's tournament tier/pokemons/move powers. Tournaments are about strategy and not for someone's convince. Just my thought.... I kindawhat agree with you, but i think that some buffs or nerfs in mons is a good idea because: 1 - The meta isnt the same of the original games (smogon) because there inst some pokemon here (legendaries, mythical, etc etc) so the balance thing here is different. 2 - Buffs/Nerfs/ together with tiers rotations makes the game "fresh". Im a newcommer to this mmo and thats is just my opinion. I doesn't know all about the competitive story here. Also, if there is nerfs in a specific pokemon/move, would be interesting that would be buffs too. wynaut? Link to comment
Huargensy Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 8/29/2020 at 1:47 AM, DarylDixon said: Rhyperiro, rhydon and escavalier can deal with em, unless now without gligar drapion gonna run fire fang +2 252 Atk Drapion Aqua Tail vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Solid Rock Rhyperior: 192-228 (86.4 - 102.7%) -- Kill rhyperior with 1 layer of spikes Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, Huargensy said: +2 252 Atk Drapion Aqua Tail vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Solid Rock Rhyperior: 192-228 (86.4 - 102.7%) -- Kill rhyperior with 1 layer of spikes How do you expect to switch into a rhyperior and sdance? thats not a counter nor a check Link to comment
Laz Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 8/29/2020 at 7:47 AM, DarylDixon said: Rhyperiro can deal with Drapion 38 minutes ago, Huargensy said: +2 252 Atk Drapion Aqua Tail vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Solid Rock Rhyperior: 192-228 (86.4 - 102.7%) -- Kill rhyperior with 1 layer of spikes 16 minutes ago, Spaintakula said: How do you expect to switch into a rhyperior and sdance? thats not a counter nor a check Huargensy, LeJovi, gbwead and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 @Aerun giving away the secrets with Tangela. Imagine if it had Regenerator too! This chat appears to be the classic: Our game isn't balanced (due to lack of Hidden Abilities and Legendaries) vs I can't win because of X-Y-Z (maybe you're bad). I think something we should honestly take into account is our leader boards. We can see that OU is stale at the top, meaning the same pokemon are being used over and over again, but that's kind of what Overused just is. Now let's take a look at the win percentage for our leaders. The majority have a 70% or better win rate, which in my opinion is pretty damn good considering all the fuckery (mechanics) Pokemon inherently has, such as crits, miss chances, and all that shit to balance bad players out with good players. If OU was broken, what win percentage would you see the top players having? Less than 70%? I can't say, but if our better players are winning more, then that's a sign of a good metagame. gbwead, Paulo300991 and Aerun 3 Link to comment
gbwead Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) I would agree with you from a purely theoretical standpoint @DoubleJ. However, if you look at the games played by our leaders, it becomes quite clear that this 70% win rate comes from players spamming broken mons. The latest OU finale (CHUCKunso #5 on the leaderboard vs Ihikaril #13 on the leaderboard) shows how much a specific pokemon is shamefully ruining our entire metagame. Edited August 30, 2020 by gbwead Aerun, MiraiZura, DoubleJ and 1 other 4 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, gbwead said: I would agree with you from a purely theoretical standpoint @DoubleJ. However, if you look at the games played by our leaders, it becomes quite clear that this 70% win rates comes from players spamming broken mons. The latest OU finale (CHUCKunso #5 on the leaderboard vs Ihikaril #13 on the leaderboard) shows how much a specific pokemon is shamefully ruining our entire metagame. In other words, better players know how to play broken mons to their advantage as well. I see says the blind man. Let me go see this wonderful match. hannahtaylor and Paulo300991 2 Link to comment
ThinkNicer Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 hours ago, DoubleJ said: If OU was broken, what win percentage would you see the top players having? Less than 70%? I can't say, but if our better players are winning more, then that's a sign of a good metagame. Eh it doesn't work like that unfortunately. We don't have a true ELO ladder because we are sacrificing it for faster pairings, which is fine. I've had many times that I got matched against a 'Trainer' while I was in the top 100. Often these are just easier matches. The high win percentage players (like 80%+) are often also using stall which beats inexperienced players hard. Something like HO can still be beaten by worse players with misses and well timed crits. And like gb said, the top players know how to abuse the broken shit right now. Like dragmag teams are absolutely disgusting, yet not many people are using it yet. DoubleJ and TohnR 2 Link to comment
pachima Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, DoubleJ said: In other words, better players know how to play broken mons to their advantage as well. I see says the blind man. Let me go see this wonderful match. For god sake dont. You'll regret everything you just said about leaderboards. LeJovi, LifeStyleNORE, Moi and 4 others 7 Link to comment
champiom69 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 8/29/2020 at 8:13 PM, EricRasp said: Or just ban specs :shrug: Only lousy players ask for ban and nerf Link to comment
Quakkz Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, champiom69 said: Only lousy players ask for ban and nerf ok champiom69 Edited August 30, 2020 by Quakkz razimove, Umbramol, RysPicz and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Paulo300991 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, ThinkNicer said: Eh it doesn't work like that unfortunately. We don't have a true ELO ladder because we are sacrificing it for faster pairings, which is fine. I've had many times that I got matched against a 'Trainer' while I was in the top 100. Often these are just easier matches. The high win percentage players (like 80%+) are often also using stall which beats inexperienced players hard. Something like HO can still be beaten by worse players with misses and well timed crits. And like gb said, the top players know how to abuse the broken shit right now. Like dragmag teams are absolutely disgusting, yet not many people are using it yet. Dragonite and magnezone? Link to comment
LifeStyleNORE Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 hours ago, pachima said: For god sake dont. You'll regret everything you just said about leaderboards. Lmao someone insisted that I should watch this legendary match. That Reuniclus sack was well worth the wait. Umbramol and pachima 2 Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, DoubleJ said: Let me go see this wonderful match. Watch the semis too, 80 minutes of a pure fun match Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Garchomp Uber; HermitG and Ultrajesus 2 Link to comment
gbwead Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) Edited August 31, 2020 by gbwead Xigbar and TheAlmightyKreed 1 1 Link to comment
Munya Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Suigin goes away for one month Luke and gbwead 2 Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, gbwead said: Eviolite gabite in ou ez JorgeFirebolt 1 Link to comment
Xigbar Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 31 minutes ago, gbwead said: Stelian, JorgeFirebolt, gbwead and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment
DiosSlurpuff Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) I agree that Garchomp is a heavily used and dangerous threat, even without the PvP ability, but from my point of view, I don't see Garchomp as something that is simply too much for OU. I don't see any reason to remove it from the meta, it has its counters pretty well set. postscript: Yes, I know, I was late. Edited August 31, 2020 by DiosSlurpuff champiom69 and HermitG 1 1 Link to comment
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