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Final month in a cycle, 4.36% to go either direction this month.

Up to OU:
Gastrodon
Mandibuzz
Umbreon
Kabutops

 

Down from OU to UU:
Dugtrio
Ludicolo

 

Up to UU from NU:

Vaporeon

 

Down to NU from UU:
Machamp

 

The BL2 Mons are also currently being discussed for a re-test in the tier given the significant changes to it since they were banned.

 

OU:

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All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams
  441780 73630
Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage
Garchomp 22092 30.00%
Scizor 20775 28.22%
Conkeldurr 19587 26.60%
Rotom [Wash Rotom] 17191 23.35%
Gengar 14737 20.01%
Ferrothorn 13932 18.92%
Skarmory 13673 18.57%
Cofagrigus 13383 18.18%
Tyranitar 12542 17.03%
Blissey 11839 16.08%
Volcarona 11566 15.71%
Kingdra 10628 14.43%
Pelipper 10533 14.31%
Jolteon 10471 14.22%
Hydreigon 9275 12.60%
Togekiss 8951 12.16%
Dragonite 8589 11.67%
Breloom 8559 11.62%
Magnezone 8381 11.38%
Reuniclus 8307 11.28%
Milotic 8249 11.20%
Gyarados 7148 9.71%
Chansey 7120 9.67%
Mienshao 6636 9.01%
Infernape 6605 8.97%
Chandelure 6218 8.44%
Salamence 6023 8.18%
Tentacruel 5632 7.65%
Excadrill 5378 7.30%
Starmie 5153 7.00%
Cloyster 4852 6.59%
Darmanitan 4823 6.55%
Hippowdon 4695 6.38%
Gastrodon 4552 6.18%
Mandibuzz 4468 6.07%
Gliscor 4415 6.00%
Swampert 3771 5.12%
Umbreon 3493 4.74%
Lucario 3467 4.71%
Kabutops 3391 4.61%
Arcanine 2789 3.79%
Metagross 2543 3.45%
Bronzong 2366 3.21%
Ludicolo 2313 3.14%
Dugtrio 2183 2.96%
Snorlax 2052 2.79%
Porygon2 1975 2.68%
Haxorus 1730 2.35%
Aerodactyl 1553 2.11%
Alakazam 1539 2.09%
Torkoal 1503 2.04%
Scrafty 1426 1.94%
Crobat 1372 1.86%
Jellicent 1370 1.86%
Mamoswine 1345 1.83%
Dusclops 1333 1.81%
Electrode 1162 1.58%
Azumarill 1131 1.54%
Weavile 1070 1.45%
Forretress 1053 1.43%
Zoroark 1050 1.43%
Whimsicott 1048 1.42%
Staraptor 1034 1.40%
Ursaring 1003 1.36%
Venusaur 995 1.35%
Sigilyph 974 1.32%
Rotom [Heat Rotom] 926 1.26%
Bisharp 883 1.20%
Ambipom 859 1.17%
Sceptile 832 1.13%
Flygon 822 1.12%
Krookodile 785 1.07%
Yanmega 785 1.07%
Charizard 780 1.06%
Empoleon 768 1.04%
Rotom [Mow Rotom] 759 1.03%
Marowak 751 1.02%

UU:

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All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams
  7488 1248
Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage
Mandibuzz 390 31.25%
Rotom [Heat Rotom] 383 30.69%
Lanturn 305 24.44%
Arcanine 264 21.15%
Snorlax 261 20.91%
Crobat 258 20.67%
Mamoswine 232 18.59%
Forretress 229 18.35%
Bronzong 212 16.99%
Scrafty 210 16.83%
Heracross 203 16.27%
Flygon 189 15.14%
Krookodile 188 15.06%
Medicham 172 13.78%
Jellicent 167 13.38%
Venomoth 159 12.74%
Metagross 141 11.30%
Yanmega 141 11.30%
Gastrodon 136 10.90%
Rotom [Mow Rotom] 126 10.10%
Eelektross 120 9.62%
Torkoal 118 9.46%
Dusclops 117 9.38%
Staraptor 107 8.57%
Sigilyph 104 8.33%
Linoone 103 8.25%
Druddigon 101 8.09%
Azumarill 98 7.85%
Empoleon 97 7.77%
Porygon2 94 7.53%
Electrode 94 7.53%
Typhlosion 94 7.53%
Bisharp 88 7.05%
Slowbro 79 6.33%
Umbreon 73 5.85%
Alakazam 73 5.85%
Donphan 71 5.69%
Weavile 68 5.45%
Vaporeon 58 4.65%
Rhyperior 57 4.57%
Absol 51 4.09%
Exeggutor 50 4.01%
Machamp 46 3.69%
Mismagius 36 2.88%
Gligar 32 2.56%
Durant 32 2.56%
Victreebel 32 2.56%
Roserade 31 2.48%
Spiritomb 31 2.48%
Blastoise 30 2.40%
Ambipom 29 2.32%
Mantine 28 2.24%
Galvantula 27 2.16%
Zoroark 26 2.08%
Honchkrow 26 2.08%
Gigalith 25 2.00%
Weezing 24 1.92%
Whimsicott 23 1.84%
Swellow 22 1.76%
Nidoqueen 22 1.76%
Gallade 20 1.60%
Toxicroak 20 1.60%
Manectric 20 1.60%
Sceptile 17 1.36%
Venusaur 16 1.28%
Lilligant 16 1.28%
Dusknoir 15 1.20%
Hariyama 15 1.20%
Charizard 13 1.04%
Drapion 13 1.04%

NU:

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All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams
  9252 1542
Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage
Blastoise 406 26.33%
Steelix 383 24.84%
Drapion 353 22.89%
Roserade 349 22.63%
Spiritomb 333 21.60%
Manectric 291 18.87%
Golbat 258 16.73%
Vaporeon 253 16.41%
Gligar 206 13.36%
Mismagius 199 12.91%
Hitmonchan 182 11.80%
Zoroark 180 11.67%
Bronzor 175 11.35%
Gallade 162 10.51%
Nidoqueen 159 10.31%
Toxicroak 156 10.12%
Gigalith 154 9.99%
Galvantula 147 9.53%
Espeon 143 9.27%
Honchkrow 140 9.08%
Primeape 128 8.30%
Braviary 128 8.30%
Swellow 124 8.04%
Charizard 123 7.98%
Clefable 123 7.98%
Ambipom 118 7.65%
Mantine 112 7.26%
Hitmontop 106 6.87%
Kangaskhan 102 6.61%
Aerodactyl 100 6.49%
Stoutland 94 6.10%
Venusaur 93 6.03%
Bibarel 93 6.03%
Magmortar 89 5.77%
Houndoom 86 5.58%
Rhydon 85 5.51%
Weezing 84 5.45%
Electivire 80 5.19%
Omastar 80 5.19%
Froslass 79 5.12%
Sceptile 76 4.93%
Whimsicott 75 4.86%
Lilligant 67 4.35%
Escavalier 67 4.35%
Miltank 65 4.22%
Sableye 65 4.22%
Archeops 63 4.09%
Golem 62 4.02%
Nidoking 61 3.96%
Vanilluxe 61 3.96%
Scyther 61 3.96%
Abomasnow 55 3.57%
Magneton 52 3.37%
Gardevoir 51 3.31%
Golurk 50 3.24%
Klinklang 46 2.98%
Dusknoir 45 2.92%
Slowking 45 2.92%
Rotom 43 2.79%
Throh 43 2.79%
Musharna 41 2.66%
Hariyama 40 2.59%
Claydol 40 2.59%
Skuntank 37 2.40%
Aggron 34 2.20%
Cryogonal 33 2.14%
Blaziken 33 2.14%
Feraligatr 29 1.88%
Serperior 29 1.88%
Sawk 28 1.82%
Smeargle 27 1.75%
Altaria 25 1.62%
Lickilicky 24 1.56%
Raichu 24 1.56%
Munchlax 23 1.49%
Samurott 22 1.43%
Ampharos 21 1.36%
Probopass 21 1.36%
Quagsire 20 1.30%
Stunfisk 20 1.30%
Ursaring 19 1.23%
Poliwrath 19 1.23%
Piloswine 19 1.23%
Gorebyss 18 1.17%
Butterfree 17 1.10%
Pikachu 16 1.04%
Accelgor 16 1.04%
Crustle 16 1.04%
Drifblim 16 1.04%

Doubles:

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All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams
  4332 722
Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage
Togekiss 248 34.35%
Hitmontop 214 29.64%
Garchomp 196 27.15%
Kingdra 157 21.75%
Reuniclus 135 18.70%
Metagross 131 18.14%
Salamence 110 15.24%
Tyranitar 110 15.24%
Blastoise 108 14.96%
Gengar 101 13.99%
Conkeldurr 98 13.57%
Hydreigon 95 13.16%
Gastrodon 93 12.88%
Ferrothorn 89 12.33%
Rotom [Wash Rotom] 88 12.19%
Excadrill 86 11.91%
Porygon2 83 11.50%
Pelipper 79 10.94%
Chandelure 77 10.66%
Volcarona 74 10.25%
Amoonguss 68 9.42%
Gyarados 67 9.28%
Hariyama 62 8.59%
Arcanine 61 8.45%
Scizor 60 8.31%
Jolteon 54 7.48%
Torkoal 54 7.48%
Mienshao 43 5.96%
Milotic 41 5.68%
Abomasnow 40 5.54%
Bronzong 40 5.54%
Dragonite 40 5.54%
Ludicolo 40 5.54%
Snorlax 37 5.12%
Rhyperior 35 4.85%
Jellicent 34 4.71%
Rotom [Heat Rotom] 34 4.71%
Dusclops 31 4.29%
Cofagrigus 30 4.16%
Lilligant 30 4.16%
Breloom 28 3.88%
Rotom [Mow Rotom] 28 3.88%
Swampert 28 3.88%
Crobat 26 3.60%
Gigalith 26 3.60%
Blissey 25 3.46%
Whimsicott 25 3.46%
Typhlosion 24 3.32%
Alakazam 21 2.91%
Gliscor 21 2.91%
Krookodile 20 2.77%
Lucario 20 2.77%
Darmanitan 19 2.63%
Haxorus 19 2.63%
Magnezone 19 2.63%
Starmie 19 2.63%
Infernape 17 2.35%
Skarmory 16 2.22%
Charizard 15 2.08%
Cloyster 15 2.08%
Lanturn 14 1.94%
Aerodactyl 13 1.80%
Flygon 13 1.80%
Manectric 13 1.80%
Slowbro 13 1.80%
Chansey 12 1.66%
Marowak 12 1.66%
Serperior 12 1.66%
Staraptor 12 1.66%
Toxicroak 12 1.66%
Scrafty 11 1.52%
Slowking 11 1.52%
Zoroark 11 1.52%
Eelektross 10 1.39%
Gallade 9 1.25%
Hippowdon 9 1.25%
Honchkrow 9 1.25%
Musharna 9 1.25%
Smeargle 9 1.25%
Togetic 9 1.25%
Venusaur 9 1.25%
Weezing 9 1.25%
Bisharp 8 1.11%
Dusknoir 8 1.11%
Electivire 8 1.11%
Machamp 8 1.11%
Mandibuzz 8 1.11%
Tentacruel 8 1.11%
Umbreon 8 1.11%
Weavile 8 1.11%

LC:

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All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams
  3888 648
Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage
Mienfoo 495 76.39%
Vullaby 271 41.82%
Onix 246 37.96%
Bronzor 217 33.49%
Ferroseed 192 29.63%
Porygon 192 29.63%
Chinchou 179 27.62%
Gastly 163 25.15%
Clamperl 137 21.14%
Frillish 119 18.36%
Staryu 116 17.90%
Elekid 115 17.75%
Tentacool 92 14.20%
Timburr 90 13.89%
Stunky 89 13.73%
Dwebble 78 12.04%
Magnemite 73 11.27%
Grimer 69 10.65%
Trubbish 69 10.65%
Croagunk 57 8.80%
Yamask 55 8.49%
Abra 48 7.41%
Drifloon 43 6.64%
Pawniard 38 5.86%
Cranidos 37 5.71%
Munchlax 35 5.40%
Ponyta 31 4.78%
Cottonee 30 4.63%
Voltorb 28 4.32%
Larvesta 26 4.01%
Magby 26 4.01%
Shellder 26 4.01%
Taillow 22 3.40%
Aipom 21 3.24%
Axew 19 2.93%
Meowth 17 2.62%
Drilbur 15 2.31%
Archen 12 1.85%
Snivy 12 1.85%
Larvitar 11 1.70%
Shellos 11 1.70%
Hippopotas 10 1.54%
Zubat 9 1.39%
Wynaut 8 1.23%
Lileep 8 1.23%
Solosis 8 1.23%
Tirtouga 8 1.23%
Doduo 7 1.08%
Kabuto 7 1.08%

Discuss away.

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3 hours ago, suigin said:

I vote for gb to shut up about Garchomp

I vote for you to give reasons on your opinions

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1 hour ago, SweeTforU said:

I don't support machamp nu at all 

It's not doing anything special in there

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Just now, DarylDixon said:

did i miss wobbufet uu to

there is no UU anymore. Everything now can rampage everything lesgoo.

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Posted (edited)

My votes:

Garchomp ban for fitting Offensive Uber Characteristics.

Absol unbanned from BL2.

 

edit: i changed my mind regarding durant

Edited by gbwead

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1 minute ago, pachima said:

Hell no.

less broken than chomp in ou

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6 minutes ago, gbwead said:

less broken than chomp in ou

But NU has no fault you don't do the correct actions in OU.

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We have so many checks to Machamp in NU: Spiritomb, Golbat, Gligar, Musharna, Weezing, .... There is no possible way this thing will get banned.

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1 minute ago, gbwead said:

We have so many checks to Machamp in NU: Spiritomb, Golbat, Gligar, Musharna, Weezing, .... There is no possible way this thing will get banned.

Agreed. Now please use same logic to durant to conclude that durant should not drop thank you.

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13 minutes ago, gbwead said:

We have so many checks to Machamp in NU: Spiritomb, Golbat, Gligar, Musharna, Weezing, .... There is no possible way this thing will get banned.

I am too lazy to do the calcs again, but machamp can reliably beat golbat with stone edge 

Spiritomb can check it, excepet it'll be an easy toxic for no guard machamp

Musharna and weezing suck, but those can work i guess

And Machamp can viably run at least 3 sets, guts, no guard and bulk up, making it very hard to predict

It's a mini conkeldurr, i bet it won't last more than 1 season

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With gastrodon and mandibuzz in OU i think belly drum is unstopable. Nothing UU can stop this things eficiently. 

Anyway my votes: ban belly drum from UU

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2 hours ago, gbwead said:

We have so many checks to Machamp in NU: Spiritomb, Golbat, Gligar, Musharna, Weezing, .... There is no possible way this thing will get banned.

dont let me calc but cause most of em get 2hko excluding spiritomb can be a the only wall with bronzor pretty sure.

Edited by DarylDixon

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1 hour ago, gbwead said:

Durant unbanned from BL2.

Absol unbanned from BL2.

Why? What did the Sinnoh update introduce to NU which stops these from being just as broken as they were previously?

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2 minutes ago, Zymogen said:

Why? What did the Sinnoh update introduce to NU which stops these from being just as broken as they were previously?

i changed my mind about durant

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Posted (edited)

Can we talk about dual screens team in uu? dugtrio could be a nerf of trode (it can put both screens tho) but a buff too being a nice trapper and memento user.

 

Electrode (screens, taunt, volt/explosion)

Venomoth

Azumarill/Linoone (bdrum users, the team can run both)

Scrafty (dd set)

Rotom-Heat

Mamoswine

 

I dont see movements to nerf them, being the most stronger team actually in uu.

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1 hour ago, Sebat said:

being the most stronger team actually in uu.

KEEK

I legit took my time to look for exploits. And I found at least 5 viable stuff that completely ruin that whole team.

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33 minutes ago, pachima said:

Me tomé mi tiempo legítimamente para buscar hazañas. Y encontré al menos 5 cosas viables que arruinan por completo a todo el equipo.

I think that the real problem is not finding a team that can stop it, but that you are not going to take that team in all duels and if you take it you look weak to other teams and if you do not take it and juato the rival takes that set no you have to stop it

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