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1.7 to go down, 6.7 to go up, nothing changes this month. 

 

OU:

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All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams
  516840 86140
Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage
Scizor 26194 30.41%
Conkeldurr 24248 28.15%
Garchomp 24156 28.04%
Gengar 19366 22.48%
Rotom [Wash Rotom] 18259 21.20%
Ferrothorn 15694 18.22%
Skarmory 15393 17.87%
Tyranitar 15107 17.54%
Blissey 14212 16.50%
Cofagrigus 12922 15.00%
Hydreigon 12638 14.67%
Volcarona 12438 14.44%
Milotic 11627 13.50%
Togekiss 11560 13.42%
Magnezone 11449 13.29%
Jolteon 10991 12.76%
Pelipper 10795 12.53%
Kingdra 10784 12.52%
Dragonite 10248 11.90%
Reuniclus 9906 11.50%
Gyarados 8533 9.91%
Chansey 8193 9.51%
Mienshao 7833 9.09%
Infernape 7681 8.92%
Excadrill 7519 8.73%
Chandelure 7110 8.25%
Breloom 6937 8.05%
Salamence 6705 7.78%
Cloyster 6647 7.72%
Gliscor 6478 7.52%
Tentacruel 6152 7.14%
Starmie 5891 6.84%
Darmanitan 5311 6.17%
Hippowdon 5263 6.11%
Umbreon 4740 5.50%
Gastrodon 4327 5.02%
Swampert 3805 4.42%
Mandibuzz 3711 4.31%
Metagross 3581 4.16%
Kabutops 3321 3.86%
Bronzong 3260 3.78%
Arcanine 3187 3.70%
Lucario 3157 3.66%
Ludicolo 3025 3.51%
Torkoal 2862 3.32%
Haxorus 2354 2.73%
Dugtrio 2255 2.62%
Snorlax 2106 2.44%
Scrafty 2050 2.38%
Porygon2 1937 2.25%
Forretress 1721 2.00%
Alakazam 1672 1.94%
Whimsicott 1661 1.93%
Dusclops 1644 1.91%
Zoroark 1635 1.90%
Crobat 1592 1.85%
Mamoswine 1341 1.56%
Aerodactyl 1309 1.52%
Electrode 1299 1.51%
Empoleon 1296 1.50%
Krookodile 1294 1.50%
Jellicent 1266 1.47%
Weavile 1223 1.42%
Ambipom 1198 1.39%
Charizard 1088 1.26%
Eelektross 1063 1.23%
Azumarill 1047 1.22%
Gallade 1007 1.17%
Exeggutor 986 1.14%
Ursaring 981 1.14%
Venusaur 967 1.12%
Gardevoir 931 1.08%
Sceptile 920 1.07%
Staraptor 919 1.07%
Heracross 910 1.06%
Swellow 882 1.02%

UU:

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All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams
  7224 1204
Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage
Rotom [Heat Rotom] 332 27.57%
Mandibuzz 329 27.33%
Crobat 241 20.02%
Lanturn 233 19.35%
Arcanine 231 19.19%
Snorlax 224 18.60%
Mamoswine 222 18.44%
Forretress 208 17.28%
Heracross 206 17.11%
Flygon 202 16.78%
Scrafty 196 16.28%
Bronzong 163 13.54%
Medicham 159 13.21%
Venomoth 152 12.62%
Krookodile 151 12.54%
Jellicent 135 11.21%
Metagross 130 10.80%
Eelektross 130 10.80%
Empoleon 120 9.97%
Dusclops 119 9.88%
Rotom [Mow Rotom] 114 9.47%
Torkoal 109 9.05%
Gastrodon 107 8.89%
Yanmega 105 8.72%
Electrode 101 8.39%
Umbreon 99 8.22%
Druddigon 99 8.22%
Azumarill 98 8.14%
Linoone 96 7.97%
Staraptor 90 7.48%
Porygon2 83 6.89%
Alakazam 82 6.81%
Typhlosion 81 6.73%
Weavile 78 6.48%
Donphan 78 6.48%
Bisharp 76 6.31%
Slowbro 75 6.23%
Rhyperior 73 6.06%
Sigilyph 60 4.98%
Absol 59 4.90%
Machamp 45 3.74%
Exeggutor 42 3.49%
Roserade 42 3.49%
Durant 40 3.32%
Gigalith 39 3.24%
Mantine 39 3.24%
Sceptile 36 2.99%
Toxicroak 36 2.99%
Whimsicott 34 2.82%
Dusknoir 33 2.74%
Victreebel 31 2.57%
Vaporeon 30 2.49%
Charizard 29 2.41%
Ambipom 28 2.33%
Manectric 27 2.24%
Gligar 27 2.24%
Blastoise 26 2.16%
Aerodactyl 25 2.08%
Nidoqueen 25 2.08%
Zoroark 24 1.99%
Gallade 24 1.99%
Miltank 23 1.91%
Venusaur 22 1.83%
Mismagius 22 1.83%
Kabutops 21 1.74%
Swellow 21 1.74%
Honchkrow 21 1.74%
Weezing 20 1.66%
Spiritomb 20 1.66%
Stoutland 19 1.58%
Espeon 18 1.50%
Galvantula 18 1.50%
Houndoom 18 1.50%
Electivire 17 1.41%
Froslass 17 1.41%
Clefable 17 1.41%
Magneton 16 1.33%
Gardevoir 15 1.25%
Lilligant 15 1.25%
Hariyama 15 1.25%
Drapion 15 1.25%
Steelix 15 1.25%
Tangrowth 15 1.25%
Slowking 14 1.16%
Abomasnow 14 1.16%
Smeargle 14 1.16%
Quagsire 14 1.16%
Hitmonlee 13 1.08%

NU:

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All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams
  11784 1964
Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage
Blastoise 509 25.92%
Steelix 451 22.96%
Spiritomb 399 20.32%
Manectric 320 16.29%
Roserade 314 15.99%
Golbat 313 15.94%
Gligar 295 15.02%
Drapion 260 13.24%
Gallade 230 11.71%
Mismagius 230 11.71%
Vaporeon 220 11.20%
Galvantula 220 11.20%
Bronzor 214 10.90%
Toxicroak 203 10.34%
Swellow 203 10.34%
Honchkrow 198 10.08%
Hitmonchan 197 10.03%
Gigalith 192 9.78%
Nidoqueen 189 9.62%
Clefable 189 9.62%
Zoroark 182 9.27%
Primeape 181 9.22%
Houndoom 177 9.01%
Mantine 171 8.71%
Braviary 169 8.60%
Ambipom 168 8.55%
Aerodactyl 162 8.25%
Charizard 159 8.10%
Espeon 146 7.43%
Sceptile 137 6.98%
Stoutland 131 6.67%
Venusaur 123 6.26%
Magmortar 120 6.11%
Kangaskhan 118 6.01%
Whimsicott 115 5.86%
Vanilluxe 113 5.75%
Rhydon 113 5.75%
Electivire 110 5.60%
Hitmontop 110 5.60%
Sableye 102 5.19%
Omastar 101 5.14%
Golem 96 4.89%
Gardevoir 95 4.84%
Bibarel 94 4.79%
Miltank 90 4.58%
Froslass 90 4.58%
Musharna 89 4.53%
Abomasnow 79 4.02%
Weezing 78 3.97%
Feraligatr 77 3.92%
Dusknoir 74 3.77%
Scyther 74 3.77%
Magneton 73 3.72%
Serperior 72 3.67%
Archeops 69 3.51%
Lilligant 68 3.46%
Slowking 67 3.41%
Lapras 66 3.36%
Hariyama 63 3.21%
Cryogonal 63 3.21%
Golurk 57 2.90%
Claydol 57 2.90%
Nidoking 56 2.85%
Sharpedo 55 2.80%
Throh 53 2.70%
Rotom [Fan Rotom] 53 2.70%
Escavalier 51 2.60%
Blaziken 48 2.44%
Skuntank 48 2.44%
Altaria 47 2.39%
Poliwrath 44 2.24%
Hitmonlee 41 2.09%
Stunfisk 38 1.93%
Aggron 36 1.83%
Klinklang 36 1.83%
Quagsire 34 1.73%
Audino 34 1.73%
Samurott 33 1.68%
Munchlax 32 1.63%
Ursaring 30 1.53%
Probopass 29 1.48%
Ampharos 27 1.37%
Rotom 27 1.37%
Rotom [Frost Rotom] 27 1.37%
Tauros 26 1.32%
Roselia 24 1.22%
Emboar 23 1.17%
Accelgor 23 1.17%
Floatzel 22 1.12%
Butterfree 21 1.07%
Gurdurr 20 1.02%

Doubles:

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All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams
  4764 794
Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage
Togekiss 254 31.99%
Hitmontop 237 29.85%
Garchomp 194 24.43%
Reuniclus 148 18.64%
Tyranitar 146 18.39%
Metagross 137 17.25%
Conkeldurr 127 15.99%
Salamence 127 15.99%
Gengar 124 15.62%
Kingdra 124 15.62%
Hydreigon 110 13.85%
Excadrill 108 13.60%
Blastoise 97 12.22%
Gastrodon 93 11.71%
Scizor 91 11.46%
Gyarados 90 11.34%
Rotom [Wash Rotom] 90 11.34%
Volcarona 90 11.34%
Ferrothorn 87 10.96%
Pelipper 86 10.83%
Arcanine 73 9.19%
Milotic 73 9.19%
Amoonguss 70 8.82%
Jolteon 67 8.44%
Porygon2 64 8.06%
Chandelure 56 7.05%
Torkoal 53 6.68%
Bronzong 50 6.30%
Gigalith 49 6.17%
Rhyperior 49 6.17%
Whimsicott 47 5.92%
Swampert 44 5.54%
Ludicolo 43 5.42%
Snorlax 43 5.42%
Dragonite 41 5.16%
Mienshao 41 5.16%
Haxorus 40 5.04%
Dusclops 39 4.91%
Cofagrigus 36 4.53%
Hariyama 36 4.53%
Skarmory 36 4.53%
Jellicent 32 4.03%
Rotom [Mow Rotom] 30 3.78%
Breloom 29 3.65%
Gliscor 29 3.65%
Charizard 28 3.53%
Darmanitan 28 3.53%
Cloyster 27 3.40%
Lilligant 27 3.40%
Chansey 26 3.27%
Blissey 24 3.02%
Infernape 23 2.90%
Tentacruel 23 2.90%
Magnezone 22 2.77%
Alakazam 21 2.64%
Lucario 20 2.52%
Typhlosion 20 2.52%
Eelektross 19 2.39%
Hippowdon 19 2.39%
Aerodactyl 18 2.27%
Bisharp 18 2.27%
Scrafty 18 2.27%
Krookodile 17 2.14%
Rotom [Heat Rotom] 16 2.02%
Umbreon 16 2.02%
Manectric 15 1.89%
Abomasnow 14 1.76%
Kabutops 14 1.76%
Mandibuzz 14 1.76%
Dusknoir 13 1.64%
Porygon-Z 13 1.64%
Staraptor 13 1.64%
Crobat 12 1.51%
Sceptile 12 1.51%
Slowking 12 1.51%
Smeargle 12 1.51%
Flygon 10 1.26%
Heracross 10 1.26%
Starmie 10 1.26%
Empoleon 9 1.13%
Gardevoir 9 1.13%
Toxicroak 9 1.13%
Venusaur 9 1.13%
Weavile 9 1.13%
Galvantula 8 1.01%
Mamoswine 8 1.01%
Sigilyph 8 1.01%
Weezing 8 1.01%
Yanmega 8 1.01%
Zoroark 8 1.01%

LC:

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All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams
  3480 580
Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage
Mienfoo 418 72.07%
Vullaby 256 44.14%
Onix 207 35.69%
Ferroseed 198 34.14%
Porygon 194 33.45%
Gastly 190 32.76%
Chinchou 168 28.97%
Bronzor 150 25.86%
Frillish 120 20.69%
Clamperl 97 16.72%
Stunky 88 15.17%
Tentacool 84 14.48%
Staryu 78 13.45%
Timburr 74 12.76%
Elekid 63 10.86%
Magnemite 63 10.86%
Grimer 58 10.00%
Dwebble 49 8.45%
Croagunk 47 8.10%
Yamask 43 7.41%
Drifloon 40 6.90%
Ponyta 37 6.38%
Pawniard 36 6.21%
Trubbish 36 6.21%
Munchlax 34 5.86%
Taillow 32 5.52%
Abra 31 5.34%
Cottonee 30 5.17%
Larvesta 30 5.17%
Drilbur 30 5.17%
Hippopotas 25 4.31%
Axew 22 3.79%
Magby 22 3.79%
Cranidos 21 3.62%
Shellder 17 2.93%
Koffing 16 2.76%
Archen 16 2.76%
Snivy 15 2.59%
Poliwag 14 2.41%
Doduo 13 2.24%
Shellos 13 2.24%
Meowth 12 2.07%
Omanyte 12 2.07%
Tirtouga 12 2.07%
Voltorb 12 2.07%
Larvitar 11 1.90%
Rufflet 10 1.72%
Machop 10 1.72%
Dratini 9 1.55%
Lileep 8 1.38%
Cacnea 7 1.21%
Duskull 7 1.21%
Pineco 7 1.21%
Sandile 6 1.03%
Wooper 6 1.03%

Discuss away.

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I really can't understand why the minimum usage for a mon to go up a tier is so high, while the percentage needed to go down is so low. 

We created a paradox where undoubtably strong pokemons such as Darmanitan and Hippowdown in theory wouldn't have an high enough usage to be in OU, while some BL mons such as Lucario and Haxorus have less than half the usage of some UU mons such as Umbreon. But the former are part of the OU tier, while the latter is still also part of the UU tier.

The disparity between the percentages needed to go up and down is so big that while it's very easy for a mon to go down, it's almost impossible for it go up unless straight up banned by the TC.

I'm not saying this is wrong or anything should change, i just don't understand the ratio behind these rules, which in the end will make the meta static

Edited by richardbenzina

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Its part of a 3 month cycle to maintain stable tiers for at least 3 months at a time rather than the way we used to have it where tiers were in constant flux with things moving back and forth every month,  Next month is the end of the cycle and the cutoff to move both ways will be 4.36% which is the old cutoff point and allows for more things to move.

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16 hours ago, Munya said:

Swampert

Alert in UU: Rotom's Heat reign know the fear.

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Garchomp has been underwhelming lately... I personally think it should drop to NU or LC at the very least. 

 

-just another disappointed self proclaimed professional player with a 90% win rate in battle frontier singles. 

Edited by Catman16
Shaking and crying right now.

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If this usage will remain similar, then:

 

Swampert, Ludicolo, Dugtrio will drop to UU

Machamp and Kabutops will drop to NU

Lots of shit mons will drop to untiered kek

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6 hours ago, FighterChamp said:

Garchomp is beatable no need to ban

Everything is beatable lol. And chomp has no drawbacks while it kills something for sure unless you using tackle chomp or yu are a penguim

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6 hours ago, aZaz07 said:

Alert in UU: Rotom's Heat reign know the fear.

Rotoms carry hidden power grass a lot.. if it was the case gastro would already be a king in UU.

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8 minutes ago, Umbramol said:

Rotoms carry hidden power grass a lot.. if it was the case gastro would already be a king in UU.

Thats true, but Maybe Lanturn/Gastrodon/Swampert spam dislike to Rotom... Thats going to reduced viability of some sets.

Edited by aZaz07

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5 hours ago, RysPicz said:

If this usage will remain similar, then:

 

Swampert, Ludicolo, Dugtrio will drop to UU

Machamp and Kabutops will drop to NU

Lots of shit mons will drop to untiered kek

And Durant will need to be looked at again.

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On 5/30/2020 at 3:40 PM, pachima said:

Everything is beatable lol. And chomp has no drawbacks while it kills something for sure unless you using tackle chomp or yu are a penguim

I meant Chomp is not OP.

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Nowadays, Garchomp isn´t the big threat it used to be. If it was in the Diamond and pearl times, well that time it may have been understandable

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14 minutes ago, RysPicz said:

nah it's time to give nasty plot to hydrei and gengar

and power whip to gyara

 

3 minutes ago, pachima said:

close combat to conk too

I really would like to see that, but after check seens like those moves are from a new "TM" called "TR" which is a new item.

 

Meanwhile, Shell smash is now learned by lvl by squirtle and evos, so its more likely the Devs implement rather than new items

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