Monaver Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) So you can see that I'm going for a rain team. Of course I'm quite happy with Pelipper, Kabutops and Kingdra. Although I've been quite uncertain about the other picks. Initially I had ferrothorn as a Hazard setter but then I couldn't see where I'd fit a spinner into the team. For this reason I switched to Forretress who can set hazards and spin. Jolteon is here to cover the team's electricity weakness and finally scizor is there to counter some annoying rain team counters such as tyranitar and abomasnow - I gave him just enough atk IV to take them out. I put the rest into SpDef because I'm a little concerned about the the team's bulk. Although should this be a concern? Should I focus on hyper offense? I'd really appreciate your help many thanks Peeko (Pelipper) @ Damp Rock Ability: Drizzle EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA Modest Nature - Scald - Hurricane - Roost - U-turn Karnac (Kabutops) @ Life Orb Ability: Swift Swim EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Adamant Nature - Waterfall - Stone Edge - Swords Dance - Aqua Jet Haku (Kingdra) @ Choice Specs Ability: Swift Swim EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Modest Nature - Hydro Pump - Draco Meteor - Scald - Ice Beam Forretress @ Leftovers Ability: Sturdy EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD Relaxed Nature IVs: 0 Spe - Rapid Spin - Spikes - Stealth Rock - Gyro Ball Hermes (Jolteon) @ Life Orb Ability: Volt Absorb EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature - Volt Switch - Thunder - Shadow Ball - Hidden Power [Ice] Scizor @ Damp Rock Ability: Technician EVs: 200 HP / 56 Atk / 252 SpD Adamant Nature - Bullet Punch - Rain Dance - U-turn - Superpower Edited August 10, 2019 by Monaver adding images Goldeneyes 1 Link to comment
soyhector Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Looks like you dont have answers vs others rain teams. For this kind of teambuild in my opinion is better Ferrothorn than Forretres. Also Superpower instead Aquajet on Kabutops would help you to defeat Ferrothrns, because withouth that adjustment it stops all your attacks. I mean your Scizor has Superpower but its strange that people stay with Ferrothorn on that situation, people usually switches. Also can you explain me why Bulky Scizor? Scizor for rain team is usually ofensive, because rain can also help your oponent on some circumstances (for example Scizor vs Milotic on rain, the Scald would hurt you a lot and you couldnt take adventage of U-turn momemtum confortably) Link to comment
Monaver Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) Hi thanks so much for your response! I really appreciate it :) Generally I'm used to more balanced teams hence I chose put on a bulkier support kinda scizor following this article - https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/scizor-4n-rain-dance-support.60059/ In regards to ferrothorn vs forretress - if I go back to ferrothorn I feel like I'd need a spinner somewhere on my team and I wouldn't know who to replace! The only reason I feel like a spinner is necessary is so that my pelipper can enter comfortably to set up the rain. Should this be a concern? Following your response now I'm considering having ferrothorn as my main defense and focusing the others on offense; with no spinner. I've taught superpower to kabutops. Thanks so much!! Edited August 11, 2019 by Monaver soyhector 1 Link to comment
Monaver Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) Here's what the team looks like now - is it worth getting a spinner? Spoiler Ferrothorn @ Rocky Helmet Ability: Iron Barbs EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD Sassy Nature IVs: 0 Spe - Stealth Rock - Spikes - Leech Seed - Gyro Ball Peeko (Pelipper) @ Damp Rock Ability: Drizzle EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD Modest Nature - Scald - Hurricane - Roost - U-turn Ruby (Scizor) @ Life Orb Ability: Technician EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD Adamant Nature - Bullet Punch - Rain Dance - U-turn - Superpower Karnac (Kabutops) @ Life Orb Ability: Swift Swim EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Adamant Nature - Waterfall - Stone Edge - Swords Dance - Superpower Haku (Kingdra) @ Life Orb Ability: Swift Swim EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Modest Nature - Hydro Pump - Draco Meteor - Scald - Ice Beam Hermes (Jolteon) @ Life Orb Ability: Volt Absorb EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature - Volt Switch - Thunder - Shadow Ball - Hidden Power [Ice] Edited August 11, 2019 by Monaver Link to comment
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RIchardZheng Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Monaver said: Here's what the team looks like now - is it worth getting a spinner? Hide contents Ferrothorn @ Rocky Helmet Ability: Iron Barbs EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD Sassy Nature IVs: 0 Spe - Stealth Rock - Spikes - Leech Seed - Gyro Ball Peeko (Pelipper) @ Damp Rock Ability: Drizzle EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD Modest Nature - Scald - Hurricane - Roost - U-turn Ruby (Scizor) @ Life Orb Ability: Technician EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD Adamant Nature - Bullet Punch - Rain Dance - U-turn - Superpower Karnac (Kabutops) @ Life Orb Ability: Swift Swim EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Adamant Nature - Waterfall - Stone Edge - Swords Dance - Superpower Haku (Kingdra) @ Life Orb Ability: Swift Swim EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Modest Nature - Hydro Pump - Draco Meteor - Scald - Ice Beam Hermes (Jolteon) @ Life Orb Ability: Volt Absorb EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature - Volt Switch - Thunder - Shadow Ball - Hidden Power [Ice] That is a little attacker heavy. 4 offensive threats and 2 defensive pokemon to fall back on. I see some good coverage of all important types. I like how many fighting moves you have, given that tyranitar is by far the biggest threat to a rain team, as it can rain on your parade with sandstorms. Ferrothorn will be a thorn in your side since rain weakens fire, but you do have strong physical attackers that can heavily damage it. Some other threats you will face are Gyarados and Kingdra. Gyarados can easily tank boosted water moves and setup dragon dance to completely destroy the typically fragile rain teams. Kingdra gets a huge speed boost in the rain so it can be difficult to deal with and it might turn your strengths against you. Tentacruel can be a pain to deal with as it resists water and ice with that massive special defense. Setting up toxic spikes against your team (with no spinners) can be a death sentence as they can wait for your team to lose their HP (no wish healer either) then sweep. Your team seems fine vs chansey/blissey with those fast and powerful superpower wielders, most rain teams are too reliant on special attackers. Also beware trick room cause most of your team relies on speed to do damage and trick room loves to screw over fast teams like yours Link to comment
Monaver Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 minute ago, RIchardZheng said: That is a little attacker heavy. 4 offensive threats and 2 defensive pokemon to fall back on. I see some good coverage of all important types. I like how many fighting moves you have, given that tyranitar is by far the biggest threat to a rain team, as it can rain on your parade with sandstorms. Ferrothorn will be a thorn in your side since rain weakens fire, but you do have strong physical attackers that can heavily damage it. Some other threats you will face are Gyarados and Kingdra. Gyarados can easily tank boosted water moves and setup dragon dance to completely destroy the typically fragile rain teams. Kingdra gets a huge speed boost in the rain so it can be difficult to deal with and it might turn your strengths against you. Tentacruel can be a pain to deal with as it resists water and ice with that massive special defense. Setting up toxic spikes against your team (with no spinners) can be a death sentence as they can wait for your team to lose their HP (no wish healer either) then sweep. Your team seems fine vs chansey/blissey with those fast and powerful superpower wielders, most rain teams are too reliant on special attackers. Also beware trick room cause most of your team relies on speed to do damage and trick room loves to screw over fast teams like yours Haha thanks for your response Richard <3 I've come up with a pretty good solution; I've based my rain team off of a proven sun team. I've been doing really well with it in tests. I'll show it off to you later :) RIchardZheng 1 Link to comment
RIchardZheng Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Monaver said: Haha thanks for your response Richard <3 I've come up with a pretty good solution; I've based my rain team off of a proven sun team. I've been doing really well with it in tests. I'll show it off to you later :) Can't wait! You seem to have had tons of counters to most of the biggest rain threats, which is nice. Link to comment
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