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I dont think there is a single top tier player in germany .. And the flame starts

Enough with showdown honestly. We paid our respects more than enough. Psl teams shows what showdown causes to big events. Teams have players that dont play this game and cover a tier easily while other teams have to put their existing players in this tier and possibly lose them from another tier. I know a bunch of older players can participate with showdown cause they only play this now but said players should be capable to learn any pokemmo meta with a bit of help since they carry the experience with them. It becomes annoying for me to see ex pros or whatever in showdown appear in those events and give advantage to their teams just because a pokemmo player knows them and tells them to play this event. Good pr shouldnt be an advantage to this kind of competitions

I nominate sparkie to host world cup in a few years

always always always the players who show that they deserve chances prove it. ive been in this discussion countless times and yall quote me like im an old player.. and u know me paul. i started playing comp in late 2019. i worked for and got given a chance which i took to prove what im worth. so dont expect me to be sympathetic about it. i was in that place not long ago and kept working to change it. old players keep proving what they are worth still..in teams psl many dead players participated and showed that they still got it while newer players in "old" teams also took chances.. to me a player who plays this shit for 7-8-9 years still being able to get wins while literally not playing the game for some time shows how this argument is wrong. teams give the environment for improvement. if people dont improve in ranked or tours to have something to show for themselves and blame the system in a dead game cause they didnt manage to be given the chance still clearly shows where the problem is at

oh yea i like the initiative dont get me wrong.. just voicing a concern that i have in mind.. maybe personal concern aswell

while this being correct and it applied to me also.. most people are adults who have other stuff to do aswell. if we constantly play big events we get worn out. we just finished a big event, if we jump straight to the next one the motivation isnt gonna be the same, or the preparation. it gets stressing to have to be ready all the time and time consuming. i say what i say because if this goes on eventually the callibre of the games is gonna drop.

spamming long events one after another gets boring.. people cant be invested in them all year long.. it will end up without good turn up or with unmotivated people. take a break

lucario on paper looks stupidly strong.. physical set up, special set up with strong priorities and coverage moves, really tough to revenge kill.. i think its gonna be a bad idea to test that.. its a clear BL mon for me

you already voted twice this month.. stop

first of all BOOOO for the vaccine. second of all i have made my thoughts public on porygon-z on its own thread but i ll repeat a bit of here. while being a very capable wallbreaker and a bit centralising, people have gotten the grasp of handling it and most decent teambuilders have shown their ability of handling it. it caused a meta shift but every pokemon that has a good kit would do that. (swampert also has had a big influence in uu meta). many panicked but now that it has settled in my opinion it is shown that it is a capable wallbreaker but not in a position to be considered banowrthy and the drops on the winrate show that. good pokemon, forces adaption and it should stay in uu

ok awesome turnout already!! i love it!!

i had previously said that it seems to centralise the meta around it and that might become a problem. after experiencing a bunch more battles from the receiving side(not using it) and never overly preparing for it i gotta say that its the way most people play that makes them scared so much for it. in my opinion porygon-z is a much greater danger to defensive playstyles and while still remaining a danger to offense, offense has the ability to pressure a lot so it never comes in for free.. most ppl i have encountered with pz against me usually lead with it cause honestly it wont get many chances to get in the battle apart from a position to revenge kill.. scarf set can be good against offense but it really lacks the power however surprising that may be.. example my sigilyph taking around 75% health from a scarf shadown ball porygon-z. what annoys me about it is that it restricts me from using some mons that i would like to use because they clearly struggle in the current meta so i have to build my teams around having one resistance for it and pressure it to not come in freely but honestly there are ways to deal with it. that being said i come to the conclussion that it should stay in the tier, the fact that it is a threat doesnt mean that it has to be banned and that mentality needs to be shaken off and a meta shifting and being a little bit more centralised around one pokemon isnt exactly news. other threats in the past have centralised the meta around them aswell but ultimately got handled one way or another. maybe gigalith will become an actual UU mon now and not an elevator and thats not nessecarily bad. UU has a huge variety of mons that can work with gigalith. in my opinion the pokemon had place in the tier before porygon-z arived. along with spiritomb which is used to stop the tri attack spam. so yea, i say keep PorygonZ in UU

Our hopes for consistent decision making from TC will once again go to the gutter.. while i respect every single one of the sia members in tc u r wrong about the bias, when you exist in an environment and interract with one another for long, while yes u might have different opinions you also eventually share a lot of ideas,teambuilds,pokemons etc so you simply cannot have 100% unbiased decisions.. but this is the least of our problems. TC itself doesnt influence as much as we would like the ultimate decisions. Devs have the last say on everything, so even if tc pushes for something in the end the developers will take the decisions. examples are garchomp existing without swords dance. wobbufett turning into an absolute joke,lc removed etc etc etc. so in the end the biggest problems isnt the faces who are in tc but the way a community based game doesnt listen to its community at all. even about the replacement of gbwead noone was informed that they could aim to get a place in TC, the safest options were instantly picked,people that are close to gb and other existing members of the tc with the aim being to not getting any potential disruptions and pretty much trying to not change anything while the game is screaming for changes. a lot of people are willing to devote time and actively help but lets be real.. thats not where money comes from so if in the eyes of the devs the way things are "work" then no changes will happen and eventually all current tc members will be dead because this game has nothing else to offer to them yet they will still hold their places there because if the place hasnt be set on fire we are cool

Call me when the UU matches start!! I cant miss those

you almost gave me a heart attack

i won!! lost the screen but the game is recorded.. gg mkns always enjoying playing against you

Man gbwead pulling data out of his mind that are hella untrue.. Thats just missleading.. Who deserted uu? Who doesnt care about it anymore? P-z doesnt ruin every playstyle. Actually all playstyles have ways to manage it. Stall itself doesnt get destroyed by it while it certaintly can open holes into it and offense doesnt really allow it to come in many times in a game. Maybe balance struggles the most against it but thats how balance does in uu in general. Gets easily overwhelmed by offense and doesnt have the ability to break through stall most of the times.

Thats a guess. Its not an actual argument. Status might come or not. It is rng. And to answer your question download choice specs porygonz doesnt 2hko porygon2

And yes p-z is strong as a wallbreaker should be. And it also has some checks. Also the example u gave was a desperate action from devs and tc to keep garchomp from getting banned because pokemmo obeys a "no uber policy". Thats why now they removed swords dance from it. So it stays in OU. Sand veil itself was never a problem so the ban was a mistake. As i said in my first comment im not sure if p-z requires a ban or not. But in the case a ban would happen it should never be because it is offensively uber because it isnt. It is strong and it has checks, its tough to play around also. If a ban would happen should be judged on how centralising it is for the tier and if it makes the overall uu meta unhealthy with its presence. And personally i think this part is too early to be decided

Why would adaptability specs be +1 special attack? It has 2 abilities?

As i said this is luck dependant.. We played vs each other and u paralyzed me with p2 on your first tri attack while u walled 6 of my pz tri attacks. Exact same scenario with the p2 player winning(you) while the pz player lost(me). So why we claim that rng related scenarios is a reason for a ban?

Gigalith can handle both and snorlax and p2 can handle p-z aswell in some scenarios.

I know.. Im pretty sure if yanmega didnt get hit like this by rocks we would have it banned in here.. Anyway i didnt compare them as a whole but as STAB spamming.. After they ve come into play. To conclude i still believe a stable meta is needed with p-z in, to decide if its overcentralising for the tier therefore requires a ban.

This is why i compared yanmega with porygon-z.. I dont think that tri attack is as spammable as you present it to be. Bug buzz is way more spammable since iirc only crobat can actually resist it if yanmega uses tinted lens while there are multiple resistances to tri attack and the rng factor shouldnt be taken into consideration when we theorise. Hax are luck. You might get good rng in every single attack you fire or not get any of them. The way rng works is that every attack has a certain % to get a status so u eventually can fire 10 tri attacks and every single one has 20% each. So in any of those 10 u play for a 20% chance to get a status. Any player who respects him/her self wouldnt play for that. As sweet said any team should have answers to big threats on the tier like a heracross switch or a pz switch or idk what switch. So him running spdef invested empoleon shouldnt be a shock.. Its an adaption to a new threat as for example he already used to run crobat in his team so he has a fighting switch. That doesnt nessecarily mean that hera or pz are broken. It means that he adapts to pokemons that might threaten him

Personally im not sure about p-z yet.. The first issue that it brought was that it seemingly is a lot centralising for the tier that it instantly shifted the meta. But on the other hand i have yet to see it overinfluence games as it is presented to do. Many factors can pitch into that(outplays, hax, poor usage etc). I try to compare it with yanmega because they have similar powers offensively and not many pokemons switch into any of those two. The drawback to yanmega is that it is really weak to rocks but on the other hand its typing also offers key resistances/immunities such as fighting and ground which are types that are really good in the tier. Also yanmega has the advantage of not having to predict when it comes in. Its moves dont get resisted, so there is no outplay potential. You have to throw something that can tank the hit. They have other differences aswell but im getting out of point. I personally believe that more testing is needed since in my opinion the uu community hasnt finished adapting into p-z yet. The first month ive seen either players not switching it up at all or hard counter the possibility that their opponent might run p-z. And while p-z might be overcentralising i personally cannot be sure about it yet since the meta hasnt stabilised around it. Because in my opinion that would be the main reason that would justify a ban. Making the meta unhealthy by revolving too much around and not it being broken offensively since it has been proven that it can be checked even if its just by a handful of mons.