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Cause hitmontop is terrible in uu, just stating the obvious i guess. Also all the mentioned answers are not good enough for the meta except slowbro imo and durant as offensive but the factor that lucario can reliably run physical or special set already ruins the "check" argument just because pokemon is a momentum game and one wrong switch in can result into losing one pokemon, especially when switching into one of the best wallbreakers/sweepers in the tier. We try to find conditional solutions to checking lucario instead of facing the obvious, that its too much for the tier. If the only way you have to deal with it is gimmicks or pokemon that otherwise are bad in this tier (mismagius, rotom-ghost),then this shows you why said pokemon should be borderlined from the tier.

So the answer for p2 is a steel type that can take advantage of it while said steel type absolutely rolls over the whole tier. With heracross leaving (which is the only fighting type that can risk switching into defensive p2 sets imo) one would have seen that the clear answer to this change is moving p2 up to bl1 and not dropping another bl pokemon.. Whatever though, one more reason to never log in again, having people that have no idea of the meta and the tiers, making the decisions about them.. Im sure they will enjoy NOT playing them, as they do all this time

The issue isnt the defensive switch ins it has, if it was a bulky powerhouse in addition to not having any switch ins at all we wouldnt be having a discussion, it would have been banned already. The pokemons you mention are generally good for more defensive or balanced playstyles and they are used to stop the biggest special attacking threats either way. As i said it restricts teambuilding, you will either use it to stop said threats and pressure offense very easily or you will use its checks which also check special threats AND porygon2 itself. You end up in a meta depending on toxicing and outlasting your opponent. A big portion of pokemons is left unused and unviable and generally you play a tier with very little versatility and creativity.

I love how my words are so important to you bro. I stand by them.

Talking about which characteristics make p2 a banworthy mon is a waste of time. Its a mix of all and thats what makes it banworthy. It restricts a whole stylw by itself, its really really bulky, its drawbacks like toxic and hazards are pretty easy to be dealth with(cleric and defogger) and on top of it all its weak to only one type. Fighting type pokemons cant even switch into it freely to pressure it cause it hurts and is able to cripple them. As i had stated months ago, this pokemon is too much for the tier. It can do too much at once and restricts teambuilding and playstyles.

A comment that offers nothing to deal with a huge issue in the game by a tier council member. By the person who is the most volatile about the many issues this game has competitively. At least i hope you guys start thinking about the issue.. Which i hoped several months ago that i pointed it.

I dont know how many months ago i stated this problem and the subject is circled back and answered by lame and weak reasoning. Porygon2 is the problem to the uu metagame. Porygonz was a bad counter measure to balance it out without any success and now you guys play the most lame meta since gen3. Talking about calcs and ways to counter p2 when it gets free switch ins to half and more the mons that exist in the tier and threatens a playstyle all by its own while also having moves like tri attack and discharge that can cripple the little answers that it has. And the reasoning to keep it in the tier is thst pokemons like yanmega who have x4 weakness to rocks in a tier that has a million successful rock setters can be a menace?? While snorlax or gigalith are still solid checks without being ridiculously overpowered and negate a whole playstyle by their own. Now you play a tier that every garbage runs vapo, crobat, dusclops, p2 and they think they built the new heat just by having a heal beller to support p2 cause thats the only think that can beat it succesfully.. Toxicing it.

This guy listed all the walls in uu lmfao

Your favourite sport

Yes but you get an advantage and a disadvantage.. Actual work for the captains to do and the players aswell.

102% money distribution.. Nice

And thats exactly the reason manager choice should be added.. Because since players arent drafted teams are gonna end up with multiple players playing one tier.. And a manager should be able to utilise that and not be forced to play said players on a role they wont be able to compete aswell

Im greek.. You can easily get back on me

I dont think there is a single top tier player in germany .. And the flame starts

Enough with showdown honestly. We paid our respects more than enough. Psl teams shows what showdown causes to big events. Teams have players that dont play this game and cover a tier easily while other teams have to put their existing players in this tier and possibly lose them from another tier. I know a bunch of older players can participate with showdown cause they only play this now but said players should be capable to learn any pokemmo meta with a bit of help since they carry the experience with them. It becomes annoying for me to see ex pros or whatever in showdown appear in those events and give advantage to their teams just because a pokemmo player knows them and tells them to play this event. Good pr shouldnt be an advantage to this kind of competitions