Luke

What I dislike the most about Serp is the fact it forces you to play quite linear in regards to answers for it, it's Chansey teleport + a fast sweeper as your answer, anything else is at risk of being glared which almost all answers strongly dislike (especially offensively). Yes you have defensive answers such as Golbat, Weezing & Crobat. But for 1, Golbat after a para becomes slower than Conk which is very important, it can also lose to the sub seed set & can't even ohko serp from full. Sure, you can cram U-Turn onto it. But you are losing Defog or Toxic, which are very key parts of Golbats toolkit for the niche it plays in OU. Weezing is mainly a physical mon, and if you are using it calm it's purely for Serp because Bold is 100x better. Lastly, if you are throwing in Crobat to get glared you might as well not use it. I don't believe it is as broken as SD Chomp or Hydrei draco but I still feel it is far from healthy with how restrictive it can be at times because of the way you have to use a blob as a buffer switch (which can be nullified by taunt) or else you will be at the mercy of glare. I feel we need more answers for it before we can reasonably say it should be kept in the tier. I think the best solution is: Disabling its HA until more answers are available (Infiltrator, Tangrowth HA (with AV) Amoonguss HA, Zapdos, Heatran) very skeptical about those last 2 being any time soon lmao. This way it can still have its niche of being a screens setter in NU. With the clear statement that it will eventually return with its ability. This way we (hopefully) don't have a mass panic sell situation. Although people will be annoyed no matter what due to how expensive it was to make. It's quite a difficult problem to address in the short to medium term due to the fact the competitive community is still waiting for part 3, which could add anything. But for now I would be for removing it from OU for the time being & immediately re adding it when notable answers are added into the game to be on the safe side. We can cross that bridge of when is the correct time to re-integrate it when it comes to it.

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In a metagame where it has mainly only checks, and barely any counters.. it is.. This is the fault of poor utilisation by lower skilled players. I have seen so many high level players & average / standard players abuse the hell out of it. Its high win rate for its usage percentage is reflective of this. Rain is absolutely, categorically not broken. Not even remotely close, not even in the realm of broken. If 10 is broken and 0 is trash, rain is like a 6 at best. Literally almost all relevant sash users, scarf users, or priority abusers hate para. And if they don't they hate leaf storm. It's not like they are gonna click leaf storm or glare then stay in and sack it.. I am not really using stall that much in this meta and I still find serp a huge pain in the ass. I am not specifically talking about stall here. Please provide named examples and calcs instead of listing off vague soft checks.. Because nothing you said disproves my statement that there is literally only 1 reliable method of stopping Serp right now: Chansey teleport + a fast revenge killer in the back, anything else you are risking being crippled by glare or decimated by leaf storm (not even mentioning the usage of taunt / leech seed which are very good options for it)

I have no idea why it double posted lol

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Can you please list the ways to play around it? If it isn't so difficult you surely should be able to come up with some? Because pretty much the only one I know right now is chansey teleport + a faster revenge killer in the back. All the offensive checks hate glare, and it really isn't uncommon to click glare to spam some para's off to conserve the 8pp it abuses. To me it feels like another Garchomp SD (trying to make you conform to a certain playstyle) which in my opinion is the sign of a very unhealthy metagame.

Rip transparency from devs, was fun for the 2 weeks we had it. 2022-2022

IGN: Luke Country: South Africa Tiers: OU UU NU

It’s too soon to host this. We have too many events ongoing right now as it is, and people (myself included) will want to play PSL after World Cup is over since this is usually the schedule + it will have been a year since the last one. It would be smart to host this after PSL imo. But it would not be smart to host it before PSL

Bump, bought breloom

Still radio silence lolll

@YettoDie

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(bought breloom) Now WTB 1st + 2nd gen elfbots.

The SD Garchomp + Draco Hydrei meta was by the far the worst metagame I have ever played on mmo, it was criminal that it was allowed to go on for that long. We need a lot more HA's pumped into the game before it should even be reconsidered, you didn't even list one of garchomps answers lol. The answers were mandibuzz + umbreon which had to effectively die in the process to get a foul play off. The devs tried just removing sand veil, and absolutely nothing changed. So SD was banned, and Sand Veil was re added (to everyones dismay) The developers have decided that complex bans are the way forward in this game instead of banning anything to Ubers.

Editing sign ups to avoid backlash in a COMMUNITY EVENT?? Is this really what's happening now? I thought you guys stayed out of the community events? Wasn't this always the policy. What changed? 🤔💭💰

Long shot, but I'd just appreciate some clarity on the third part of the update. Since it is going to change the metagames of every tier considering Kyu confirmed there will be a large amount of HA's dropped in it, but it seems we are in a state of free fall. I know it just states "after the 2nd part" so technically it could be any time, but everyone assumed it'd be close after / immediately after the 2nd update and it seems like there's no third part in sight? I know I + many other PVP players are holding off dedicating time to tiers which could change at the drop of a hat, but as time goes on it seems like it could be months away? I understand the devs got a crazy amount of backlash at every turn for delaying the event, but personally I appreciated the honesty of you guys saying when stuff was being delayed etc. Not expecting a reply, but one would be appreciated @Kyu ty

The only time they didn't fill was during the update lol, every other one filled (excluding the stupid 3am hosted ones). I'm not against LC coming back, but let's not pretend like it is remotely comparable to the playerbase of NU or even UU.

I'm desperate for part 3 I want to teambuild 😞

Because you can choose who you draft in PSL, in World Cup you can not. Not to mention many people (myself included) did not want LC in PSL. Many teams will be stuck with putting someone in LC who has never played before. Not to mention the skills in OU / UU / NU don't really translate over into LC since there's a ton of different mechanics, so those who are forced to play will be at a low level of play.

LC isn't a recognised tier in MMO though ?

I never said implement it tomorrow lol

While I understand the frustration; I do feel this rant is a bit premature.. The event isn't even over yet. They added HA's and drip fed them in update 2, I imagine update 3 is a continuation of this. And who knows, maybe legends? (cope) E: I also am not surprised at the "no most powerful legends will be added" As it's been clear since day 1, with the roaming legends. Imo the best action to take would be allow keldeo, dogs, birds etc. To be added, keep Zekrom etc as roaming or something of this effect