Luke
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UT should NEVER be in PSL. It is a joke of a format and the standard would be astronomically low. We already push it a bit by including LC which isn't a real tier anymore. Comparative to what could be a showdown tier, which was at an all time high in terms of level & hype last PSL. (I was against showdown tiers but the last PSL with showdown tiers in really convinced me they belong in the event)
I like the idea of a BO3 format for a new tier slot:
OU (game 1)
UU or NU (game 2 loser chooses)
game 3 whichever tier hadn't been chosen, rather than a third OU.OU
OU
BO3 (win = 1pt)
UU
NU
LC
Dubs
DPP / ORAS / SV (whatever community votes on)
Would be my ideal format, or drop it down to 6 with:
OU
OU
UU
NU
LCDUBS
- Shadow, PoseidonWrath and Axelgor
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8 minutes ago, caioxlive13 said:
Gallade people don't know how to counter it, serp was same on 2021. Isn't a mon that you should throw a wall to stop him since their role is purely break walls. Is a mon you should outoffense it to win. And considering how mediocre their physical bulk is, it's not a hard job. Gallade isn't like Hydrei Draco which could break easily 90% of the walls and couldn't be outoffensed so easily.
Dugtrio honestly should be banned, i had to agree. Like i said, idk if was on this post or in others, "If community-votes existed there instead of TC votes, Dug would be banned long ago, no one likes it and most unofficial tours bans AT anyway."Ok I have a rule in my head to never reply to you but this is just such a misrepresentation of history I have to.
People did not randomly hate serp because they were clueless fools way behind your genius caiox. Amoonguss got added, and as did AV and it remedied the problem significantly. We also have Zapdos now too. Answers got added for it, there wasn't some random 'adaptation' gradually over the years... Hard answers were dropped in an update.
Not even mentioning an unwallable Pokemon (which serp was pre Amoong outside of garbage like Golbat) which requires you to run an offensive team is quite literally offensive uber lol
Please just stop spamming threads with garbage. I won't engage further with you as my braincells don't need any more damage than the damage I've suffered facing these trash matchup fishing dug teams on ladder in this last week...
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7 hours ago, Zokuru said:
Go abuse it and prove your point. I faced 2 dugs in PSL, one was played by ZioMoji, I easily won both games. Dugtrio is really not a big deal, just play smart.
"3 Support Uber
A Pokémon that in common battle conditions can consistently set up a situation in which it makes it substantially easier for other pokemon to sweep or stall.
3. Uncompetitive
Moves or abilities may be banned if they are deemed uncompetitive, based on one of the following aspects.
Invalidation based
Uncompetitive Invalidation based Aspects are those that take away autonomy from players by invalidating, to an unacceptable degree, key elements of gameplay. What may be considered an unacceptable degree is rather subjective, so it’s important to keep in mind that all moves and abilities can be restrictive to a certain extent. "
Anyone being honest will concede that Dugtrio fits all 3 descriptions I posted above. It was always kind of like this but never really could trap enough to invalidate certain playstyles, then endeavor dropped and now it can remove pretty much every grounded wall, a few on it's own including Chansey but the issues start when it's used in conjunction with a momentum gaining move like teleport or U-Turn. "Play smart" never use Chansey? Never send Chansey on the field? Never heal Chansey up? Even when Dug "isn't a big deal" it still has an affect by what it makes you not do or not run.
I'd be willing to make a dug team and abuse it + send the replays here if I thought it would do anything, but I don't believe this TC will do literally anything lol so what I'll remain doing is explaining how stupid the decisions are.
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Gallade is such a joke. It should supersede the devs "no ban" clause and be banned because it's so broken lol, I don't understand? TC agreed to nerf it, nothing changed relevant to counter it now the nerf is undone for no reason.. Sableye is used in OU purely for it..
Dugtrio is also uncompetitive nonsense. I'll keep saying both of these things until I'm blue in the face; the lack of action is astonishing.. These god awful uncompetitive Dugtrio teams are a joke. At the very least remove endeavour and sd, it is so easy to remove chansey with dugtrio with these moves (especially endeavour) and just spam a ton of special attackers.. I was very against giving both of these moves to dug and surprise surprise, they are a huge problem.
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3 hours ago, Imperial said:
Tiers
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Reintroduce showdown tiers, with a vote between:
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SV OU, SM OU, ORAS OU, DPP OU, ADV OU, VGC
- If this is not possible then potentially a separate tournament where MMO players would exclusively participate in showdown tiers to prove their skills (e.g. A Smogon based PSL purely aimed at MMO players)
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SV OU, SM OU, ORAS OU, DPP OU, ADV OU, VGC
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Regular Season
- 8 Tiers - OU, OU, UU, NU, DUBS, LC, MC, MC
- 10 Tiers - OU, OU, UU, NU, DUBS, LC, MC, MC, Showdown tier, Showdown tier
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Playoff Season
- Same as above, but in the event of a tie managers will battle in the following tiers (OU, MC, MC)
I agree with the reintroduction of showdown tiers but it should be 6 slots a week. Not more, I swear I watch some games and the quality and standard is fantastic, then I watch others and it's like I'm watching randoms at verm play. I used to be anti smogon tiers but I have to say the high level, hype and amount of viewers the DPP games got every time (60-80) without fail really solidified the need to have this as the format because clearly there is a large interest to watch such games.
I'd advise this being the format:
OUUU
NU
LC
Dubs
Showdown Tier (voted on by community)
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OU
OU
UUNU
LC
Dubs
(If democracy votes against a showdown tier)
Fuck manager choice, it adds a lot of random-ness and I think it makes it harder for new managers to run their team well.. I also think Quinn makes a great point that we need to stop messing around with the PSL format. I will be honest, I considered managing this season but after seeing all these weird rules, gimmicks and things that can go wrong I decided not to. I imagine others felt the same way considering we are missing a ton of players in this PSL who usually play.
I also think solidifying the 8 teams to have a specific mascot is a good idea as it brings upon pre established teams and a sort of history for each, the names can be changed but the mascot must remain. Something like this. I also think retains should be considered and managers should always be able to self buy but with a weighted system dependent on a few factors; for example enchanteur can not self buy himself for 10c it would be weighted based upon his overall performance, previous sale price and previous records for something like 23c (example)
Edit: also add SEVERE punishments for coaching / ghosting. No slap on the wrists, don't permit it. MMO culture is soo heavy on coaching I really dislike it and I think we can do something about it in PSL & similar events for sure.
Edit edit: ALSO HOSTS SHOULD GET PAID!!!!! Not some tiny weeny sum im talking 20m for a season.
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Reintroduce showdown tiers, with a vote between:
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It is just mind-blowing to me that the devs said "Nah we won't ban stuff anymore we only nerf" and now they won't even nerf. Seriously what is the point in a TC, what is the point in even having competitive tiers with no way to restrict anything, I truly despair at the direction the game has gone in.
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Lumiere & Enchanteur have the strongest teams.
I think the best idea for this PSL was to build around 3 strong players who are gonna net you a win with 80% accuracy each week, and go from there (based on the pool). In previous PSL's, I think it was better to go with 2 strong players with an 80% chance to win, and build a bit of a more rounded team. This time I think managers should have switched their approach a bit.
I do really believe those 2 teams are the strongest, but a lot can happen in practice in PSL vs on paper. I think people are a little harsh on the rest of the teams though even if there is quite a big drop off with the rest from the top two imo; anyone can still win maybe except 2 teams who I think look very bad (not gonna name names and put anyone down I'm not toxic!).
- Quinn010, Bertolfoso and Shadow
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9 minutes ago, gbwead said:
Sharpness' damage modifier for Slicing moves has been increased from 1.3x to 1.4x
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Copied from the discord:
The first play-in will be the "EU Play-In" sign ups will open in 1 hour 15 minutes And the tournament will begin in 2 hours 15 minutes
If you can't make this one / missed this one, don't worry. I intend to host "The American Play-in" and the "Asian Play-in" to ensure that I have tournaments friendly for an arrangement of time-zones.
At exactly 4PM BST play-in-signups will open. And 32 slots will be available for people to sign up, it is first come first served. So ensure any friends you know who want to play are in the discord ASAP. Anyone found to be signing up on multiple accounts will be permanently banned for the OUvitational 1, and any other tours we decide to host in the future. No exceptions.
Here are the prizes for play-ins:
1st place: 1m + Qualification for main tour
2nd place: Qualification for main tour
THE TOURNAMENT STARTS AT 5PM BST
The challonge will be posted around 30 mins before the tournament starts. You will have 10 minutes after I call you before I start going for back-ups, this is not a TT. I will not delay and waste peoples time for those who can't be bothered to show up. Good luck!
If you wish to join the discord, so you don't miss any sign ups or future qualifiers please join here:
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I have a serious question: why do the higher-ups never take credit for these decisions? Why is it always put onto TC to announce these changes, which they didn't ask for? Why can't the devs come out and own the fact that THEY are doing this? Gallade is FINE. There is absolutely no reason to change it, what is the specific reason to change to 1.4x damage.. Which as gb said "There is no dmg mechanic in the history of pokemon battling that gives a 1.4 boost"
TC didn't want healing moves to be nerfed; in fact, we were in unanimous agreement that it would be bad for the health of PVP to add them. What happened? It got added anyway. I see parallels here: the current TC clearly doesn't want this change, yet they have to present it like a politician playing both sides 'The man has chosen' 'The choice came from above us' while making a thread endorsing it as if it is the best decision possible.
This system is completely backwards. There is no explanation for any of this happening; there is no sound logic or reasoning for any decisions made nowadays. TC is absolutely in free fall.
@Devs, listen to the TC. It's what they are there for. If you are just going to ignore them, then remove the TC and act like actual grown-ups. Present these choices because it's what YOU want for your game, and take the backlash, as there is not an ounce of competitive integrity in this decision. Instead of forcing others to take the criticism for you as if this is a decision made with the health of competitive MMO tiers in mind, how about you own the fact this is a decision purely based on your vision for the game.
It is really sad because I had hopes for the meta at one point, and now I have absolutely zero interest in how poorly it's all being handled. I have ideas for solutions, but I won't waste any time presenting them to deaf ears.
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The invites have been sent, the players confirmed (in no particular order) are as follows:
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@Frag(Frags)@camilo7(enchanteur)
@SweeTforU(SweetForU)
@Huargensy(Huargensy)
@MadaraSixSix(MadaraSixSix)
@PoseidonWrath(PoseidonWrath)
@Lunarck(Lunarck)
@loveyun(ForFour)
@Blu3Breath(Bluebreath)
@Zhikodark(Zhiko)
@kiwi(kiwikidd)
@Axelgor (Axellgor)
@Mlhawk(Mlhawk)
@Wallarro(he changes his names 100 times a month idk at this point)
Still missing 1 but people kept bugging me SO HERE IT IS. Other 1 will be added when the dumbass replies. Play ins begin in this next week if all goes according to plan, more announcements in the discord.
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Why the Gallade change? Having a Pokemon which uses physical fighting and psychic STAB moves was a great addition for OU, it was broken. It got nerfed based on the devs policy... Now it's healthy. Sure, it's not blowing teams apart like it did before but any good pilot of a decently built Gallade team will make the most out of it with 1.3x. Unnecessary change, kinda reminding me of when we added tickle to Wobbuffet and it went from Untiered -> Ubers, I can see Gallade going from OU -> Ubers because 1.4x makes its answers become a lot more shaky and reliant on living rolls.
- gbwead and PoseidonWrath
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Invites are being sent out right now, I have tried to do a soft limit of 4 players per team but I believe we went above this twice, as this was just a rule so I didn't invite 10 players from 1 team and not something I was too extreme on sticking by.
After the line-up of 25 confirms they are ok to play, the play-ins will be announced and the qualifiers will start.
All players invited will have 24 hours to accept their invite before I move onto inviting back-up options.
If you aren't invited and feel like you should've been, complaining will do NOTHING for you. I will not listen to it, qualify via play-ins instead. Complaining will just make me laugh at you.
Reminder that this is a BEST OUT OF 3 TOURNAMENT, which will be played WEEKLY.
It is for the top of their game in PokeMMO PVP, the innovators & highest skilled players will succeed in this tournament.
Here is the discord invite for anyone who wishes to join: https://discord.gg/TVsPd3du5F
- LeJovi, PoseidonWrath and SweeTforU
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Boy I do wonder why people use the same stuff in a tier named “Over Used”
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The OUvitational
Art by lTear
Are you tired of lackluster prizes, low skill filled tournaments? And a general mediocre environment? Look no further. The OUvitational will be commencing within the coming months. With a starting prize worth 80m (which is surely to rise) for the 1st place winner; we promise to bring the hype.
25 players who are considered elite, serial winners at the top of their game will be invited by myself. 6 will be able to qualify by play-ins. And 1 will be chosen by the highest donator. Totaling for a 32 player elite tournament.
Rules & Tournament Explained:
Spoiler- 32 person tournament, BO3 PLAYED WEEKLY. Invite only and not open to the general public, 25 invited directly. 6 via play-ins. 1 invited by decision of the highest donor (this can not be yourself)
- 250K BUY IN NO MATTER IF YOU ARE INVITED OR NOT! IF YOU CANT FIND 250K TO CONTRIBUTE ILL FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO TAKE YOUR PLACE.
- PokeMMO OU BO3, with the GRAND final becoming BO5
- Single Elimination
- Random pairings every single round
- Standard PokeMMO Ruling + Clauses + HAX ITEMS ARE STRICTLY FORBIDDEN: I.E: QUICK CLAW, BRIGHT POWDER ETC.
- Sportsmanship and general decency are expected. Treat your opponents with respect!
- Coaching / Ghosting is STRICTLY forbidden, moderators CAN and WILL check if there is enough evidence or suspicion. Guilty parties of ghosting / coaching will be DQ’D with IMMEDIATE effect and potentially BANNED from any future events.
-DND MUST BE ON DURING THE MATCH.
- Screenshots of matchups are REQUIRED by 1 player / spectator at least. They must be placed in the screens channel in the discord. It is recommended you co-ordinate this before the game if there are any issues suspected. ANY GAMES WITH NO MATCHUP SCREENSHOTTED WILL BE VOID AND WILL NOT COUNT AS A PLAYED MATCH! SO MAKE SURE YOU SCREENSHOT BEFORE / DURING THE GAME! (A verifiable list of the 6 mons used by a ref after the game has occurred is also fine but I do not want this to happen often.)
If you have concerns / questions with any rules please ask in the discord.
Discord: https://discord.gg/5B55r8jVUJ
Play in #1: Date TBC
Play in #2: Date TBC
Play in #3: Date TBC
Play in #4: Date TBC
Play in #5: Date TBC
Play in #6: Date TBC
25 Invited Players:
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@Frag(Frags)@camilo7(enchanteur)
@SweeTforU(SweetForU)
@Huargensy(Huargensy)
@MadaraSixSix(MadaraSixSix)
@PoseidonWrath(PoseidonWrath)
@Lunarck(Lunarck)
@loveyun(ForFour)
@Blu3Breath(Bluebreath)
@Zhikodark(Zhiko)
@kiwi(kiwikidd)
@Axelgor (Axellgor)
@Mlhawk(Mlhawk)
@Wallarro(he changes his names 100 times a month idk at this point)
@ZioMoji
6 players qualified by play ins:
SpoilerTbc
Prizes *subject to change with donations*
1st Place Prize
$50,000,000 + Shiny 5x31 Weavile
2nd Place Prize
$12,500,000
3rd Place Prize
$5,500,000
DONATORS
Spoiler50m - Luke
Shiny 5x31 Weavile - BlueBreath
10m - MonkeyDMathew
250k - Azphiel*
PLEASE SEND ANY DONATIONS TO: NiceRNG
- aftershocker, Blu3Breath, TohnR and 32 others
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I don't even really play lower tiers and it bothers me. Something will drop to NU for like 2 months and immediately go up, and then 2 months after this it will be in contention to drop again.. Completely changing the meta over and over. This kinda locks the NU player-base into: Those who are passionate about the tier, those who want to play all tiers, And those who are rich and can adapt to these shifts on the fly (not many competitive PVP players) which also locks how much it can actually grow. I personally thought of some sort of clause where if something drops it can't go back up for X amount of time. Curious on other people's ideas.
(I am no longer TC so this is not TC asking for some discussion on this, it just hasn't been removed from my profile lol)
PSL XVI Feedback and suggestions for next PSL
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Posted · Edited by Luke
mistake
whoops