MosesBrenner

Hey folks, why can hydreigon not learn nasty plot? Depending on his gen8 movepool it should. Is that some adjustment for pvp? greetings and enjoy the update :)

When was the release? Early july or aug? cannot remember....

but i really dont like cold ice cream. i am more the one drinking hot chocolate :)

not warm? :/

Where are my manners. I forgot something to say :/ @RysPicz ty for writing here @Tranzmaster ty for agree with my point of view @Tyrone ty for being part of this nice community i just want to say ty to all of you guys in love :)

@Noctuar what is your mission? Kommst du noch klar? :) I dont unterstand all those topics: Are you in a midlife crisis? This is the wrong forum my boy. Play the game and wait till they finish sinnoh. Will be great :).

Meanwhile Togekiss ist still unhealthy for the current Meta. No hidden abilities, no legendaries,.Pokemon missing......The effort to take it out is way too high

Ty :) Can be closed

Hello boys and girls is the "new" sherlock cap a limited vanity? (cause of the pikachu movie?). i dont get the point particularities :/. I am a bit confused :/ greetings ...

so is togekiss getting to uber tiers? Because this thing is way too broken for ou atm. If pokemmo gets in the next 1000 years to full BW level you have the right checks for it. Atm its super unhealthy and cost too much ressources. Its like the old Blissey. You just have to run some calculations and look at the efford. 100% ban atm.

After one week testing i am pretty sure that you guys of mmo calculated the flinch rate of togekiss wrong (60%). After 100 matches i am at a flinchrate of 89,...%. Even by comparing it to other moves like Focus blast etc. its way too high. Its a bit boring to play ou when the enemy plays togekiss scarf and just spam airslash and wins cause of that %. Hope you recalculate the move and make it real 60%.

To be honest i am the last to say it, but the pumpking is way too strong. You can play around the first one. Its hard but you can do it. But the second one? Are you for real? He 1 shots all my pokemon (comp tyranitar,comp hydreigon,...). You get insomnia, after you wake up but its useless your 1 hit. AND Ancient Power is like 80%. And the last one is just the worst joke i saw. He is everytime faster when he has to be. then he hides and you cant do a shit. if he is low or knows next turn you will be finished just heal heal heal heal up. When he is full again he is slower again until he needs to be faster. To be honest "bad unbalanced work". Wondering how people without comps are feeling. Ofc it shouldnt be easy, but its completely pooped. I can jump out the window and hope there will grow wings. Same situation than battling your program. THUMPS DOWN

Something a lot of people forget is the use of reflect. Helps a lot vs conkeldurr.....

Dusclops

But conkeldurr cannot destroy your whole team if you got a "healthy set"

"can reach conkeldurrs level"..? scizor with SD, excadrill with SD in sand,kabutops with SD in rain.... laugh about conkeldurrs dmg output.

You cannot take the current OU-tier pokemon. Its way too early for this mmo to say which pokemon is OU and which not. I would rather look for solid monster in a "healthy" team.

cofagrigus is a solid pokemon even without conkeldurr :/.It depends on your team and playstyle...

gyarados impish nature: -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 248 HP / 184+ Def Gyarados: 63-75 (16 - 19%) -- possible 8HKO after Leftovers recovery -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Thunder Punch vs. 248 HP / 184+ Def Gyarados: 340-404 (86.5 - 102.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Facade (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 184+ Def Gyarados: 158-186 (40.2 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery solid check without thunder punch Volcarona Timid with 252 Def: 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 240 HP / 252 Def Volcarona: 110-129 (29.6 - 34.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Thunder Punch vs. 240 HP / 252 Def Volcarona: 147-173 (39.6 - 46.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Facade (140 BP) vs. 240 HP / 252 Def Volcarona: 273-322 (73.5 - 86.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery solid check without rocks up. Salamence Naive: -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 85-101 (25.6 - 30.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Thunder Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 114-135 (34.4 - 40.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 456-540 (137.7 - 163.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 213-251 (64.3 - 75.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO solid check without ice punch if you go with a Lax or impish nature with roost it's even better. like the other said it depends on the set. Facade seems strong, but then it lacks on other moves.

Dusclops Impish Nature: 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 65-77 (22.8 - 27.1%) -- 47.2% chance to 4HKO 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Payback (50 BP) vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 88-104 (30.9 - 36.6%) -- 60.3% chance to 3HKO Calm Nature: 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 80 Def Eviolite Dusclops: 71-84 (25 - 29.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Payback (50 BP) vs. 252 HP / 80 Def Eviolite Dusclops: 96-114 (33.8 - 40.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Impish Nature Full Def: 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 57-68 (20 - 23.9%) -- guaranteed 5HKO 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Payback (50 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 78-92 (27.4 - 32.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

Then go to the other threat and read carefully what Aard wrote.

i rarely play conkeldurr sry and i am not a big fan of it.in the past i thought it was too strong, but after some discussions with people and some calculations i think its strong but not too strong. AND again you dont read exactly what i wrote...(angry word) i try again :) Short question to think about. Maybe conkeldurr is in that spot cause a lot of checks are easily walled by chansey/blissey and you cannot get much out of it.?. if you now read and understand the question feel free to answer it ty. An advice: its not how to beat chansey....

really sad when people refuse to learn and still complain about their walling mechanics. Aard wrote in a similar threat so much informartion and logical things and still you refuse to except it. Result of the threat the smart and more skilled player benefits and the walling non creative guy suffers (you have 2 100% "real" counter if you are worried and a lot of checks. Thats more than other pokemon in the ou got).But ban conkeldurr and be happy with your walling team (hello gen 3). Not the smart wins (who can deal with every situation, gets creative), the louder crying child wins :). The idea of pvp is to grow in prediction skills, experience,....... The way you guys are playing is like. Oh a special attacker------> chansey/blissey no matter what. Oh conkeldurr ---> cofagrigus/dusclops. Then you guys switch between those monster. Without even thinking of predicting some moves and play around resis.Losing is part of the learning process. And to say you need reuniclus, hydreigon,... or you will suffer is even more.. (angry word). Dude there are guys out there beating people in OU with NU and UU. Short question to think about. Maybe conkeldurr is in that spot cause a lot of checks are easily walled by chansey/blissey and you cannot get much out of it.?.

and to answer gunthugs answer. by watching at several dmg calculations you see if it is too strong or not. Short answer: conkeldurr is strong but not too strong !"

yeah i thought about special lucario. i dunno if togekiss serence grace is supporting flinch in mmo..!?!. if hydreigon runs charge beam and get the +1 porygon has to switch or hope focus blast doesnt hit. Even the combination of charge beam---->(porygon comes in) +1 SpA---->dark pulse---> draco meteor kills it. There are counters and checks for chansey but you are "forced" to deal with it. if you just prepare for normal special walls there is a high chance you lose. Taunt Gengar can beat eviolite chansey , but i think blissey can beat gengar with flamethrower/psychic. i think conkeldurr is like every named pokemon above your comment. once shown they terrify you. be smart predict the move or run dusclops/ cofagrigus.