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  1. MosesBrenner

    [OU Discussion] Conkeldurr

    Something a lot of people forget is the use of reflect. Helps a lot vs conkeldurr.....
  2. MosesBrenner

    [OU Discussion] Conkeldurr

    Dusclops
  3. MosesBrenner

    [OU Discussion] Conkeldurr

    But conkeldurr cannot destroy your whole team if you got a "healthy set"
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    [OU Discussion] Conkeldurr

    "can reach conkeldurrs level"..? scizor with SD, excadrill with SD in sand,kabutops with SD in rain.... laugh about conkeldurrs dmg output.
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    [OU Discussion] Conkeldurr

    You cannot take the current OU-tier pokemon. Its way too early for this mmo to say which pokemon is OU and which not. I would rather look for solid monster in a "healthy" team.
  6. MosesBrenner

    [OU Discussion] Conkeldurr

    cofagrigus is a solid pokemon even without conkeldurr :/.It depends on your team and playstyle...
  7. MosesBrenner

    [OU Discussion] Conkeldurr

    gyarados impish nature: -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 248 HP / 184+ Def Gyarados: 63-75 (16 - 19%) -- possible 8HKO after Leftovers recovery -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Thunder Punch vs. 248 HP / 184+ Def Gyarados: 340-404 (86.5 - 102.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Facade (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 184+ Def Gyarados: 158-186 (40.2 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery solid check without thunder punch Volcarona Timid with 252 Def: 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 240 HP / 252 Def Volcarona: 110-129 (29.6 - 34.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Thunder Punch vs. 240 HP / 252 Def Volcarona: 147-173 (39.6 - 46.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Facade (140 BP) vs. 240 HP / 252 Def Volcarona: 273-322 (73.5 - 86.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery solid check without rocks up. Salamence Naive: -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 85-101 (25.6 - 30.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Thunder Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 114-135 (34.4 - 40.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 456-540 (137.7 - 163.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO -1 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 213-251 (64.3 - 75.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO solid check without ice punch if you go with a Lax or impish nature with roost it's even better. like the other said it depends on the set. Facade seems strong, but then it lacks on other moves.
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    [OU Discussion] Conkeldurr

    Dusclops Impish Nature: 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 65-77 (22.8 - 27.1%) -- 47.2% chance to 4HKO 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Payback (50 BP) vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 88-104 (30.9 - 36.6%) -- 60.3% chance to 3HKO Calm Nature: 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 80 Def Eviolite Dusclops: 71-84 (25 - 29.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Payback (50 BP) vs. 252 HP / 80 Def Eviolite Dusclops: 96-114 (33.8 - 40.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Impish Nature Full Def: 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 57-68 (20 - 23.9%) -- guaranteed 5HKO 252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Payback (50 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 78-92 (27.4 - 32.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
  9. MosesBrenner

    [OU Discussion] Conkeldurr

    Then go to the other threat and read carefully what Aard wrote.
  10. MosesBrenner

    [OU Discussion] Conkeldurr

    i rarely play conkeldurr sry and i am not a big fan of it.in the past i thought it was too strong, but after some discussions with people and some calculations i think its strong but not too strong. AND again you dont read exactly what i wrote...(angry word) i try again :) Short question to think about. Maybe conkeldurr is in that spot cause a lot of checks are easily walled by chansey/blissey and you cannot get much out of it.?. if you now read and understand the question feel free to answer it ty. An advice: its not how to beat chansey....
  11. MosesBrenner

    [OU Discussion] Conkeldurr

    really sad when people refuse to learn and still complain about their walling mechanics. Aard wrote in a similar threat so much informartion and logical things and still you refuse to except it. Result of the threat the smart and more skilled player benefits and the walling non creative guy suffers (you have 2 100% "real" counter if you are worried and a lot of checks. Thats more than other pokemon in the ou got).But ban conkeldurr and be happy with your walling team (hello gen 3). Not the smart wins (who can deal with every situation, gets creative), the louder crying child wins :). The idea of pvp is to grow in prediction skills, experience,....... The way you guys are playing is like. Oh a special attacker------> chansey/blissey no matter what. Oh conkeldurr ---> cofagrigus/dusclops. Then you guys switch between those monster. Without even thinking of predicting some moves and play around resis.Losing is part of the learning process. And to say you need reuniclus, hydreigon,... or you will suffer is even more.. (angry word). Dude there are guys out there beating people in OU with NU and UU. Short question to think about. Maybe conkeldurr is in that spot cause a lot of checks are easily walled by chansey/blissey and you cannot get much out of it.?.
  12. MosesBrenner

    OU Tier Discussion Request Thread

    and to answer gunthugs answer. by watching at several dmg calculations you see if it is too strong or not. Short answer: conkeldurr is strong but not too strong !"
  13. MosesBrenner

    OU Tier Discussion Request Thread

    yeah i thought about special lucario. i dunno if togekiss serence grace is supporting flinch in mmo..!?!. if hydreigon runs charge beam and get the +1 porygon has to switch or hope focus blast doesnt hit. Even the combination of charge beam---->(porygon comes in) +1 SpA---->dark pulse---> draco meteor kills it. There are counters and checks for chansey but you are "forced" to deal with it. if you just prepare for normal special walls there is a high chance you lose. Taunt Gengar can beat eviolite chansey , but i think blissey can beat gengar with flamethrower/psychic. i think conkeldurr is like every named pokemon above your comment. once shown they terrify you. be smart predict the move or run dusclops/ cofagrigus.
  14. MosesBrenner

    OU Tier Discussion Request Thread

    checks are based on prediction and then he has to switch out and counter means you can go in and he "has" to switch out (without taking much dmg) if you watch at the ou tier there are a view pokemon that are in the same position than conkeldurr. There are just a view "real" counter. volcaronas "real" counter is chansey/blissey. in every scenario you have to switch out. when you use boost you cannot kill it and if you attack while chansey got switched in, you can still not kill it. All other "named" counters are checks and based on prediction skills and hope the enemy doesnt run several moves. if you watch at reuniclus it's even harder. calm mind set is countered by haze milotic and mantine for example. but the problem with reuniclus is, you dont know which set he is running. if he is a trick room user with thunder or energy ball you lose as milotic or mantine. then trick room is only "countered (real counter)" by chansey/blissey. the other named pokemon like heracross, scizor,... are checks and it depends on prediction and reuniclus movepool. so taking a closer look: its hard to play against reuniclus without taking hard dmg. now conkeldurr: i would say cofagrigus and dusclops are "real"counter and its better for conkeldurr to switch out. and there are a lot of checks. again based on your predicion skill level and the movepool of conkeldurr. Kingdra in rain: specs kingdra kills ferrothorn in rain with hydro pump (high chance) and phys kingdra with dd kills chansey/blissey. mantine got destroyed with hp electric.high chance that Milotic dies to draco meteor with specs. hard to tell here a "real" counter, but the best option for checks in my oppinion are ferrothorn,chansey/blissey or mantine. After taking dmg you can prepare for checks. But there is a high risk for taking tons of dmg. hydreigon: "real" counter? the best option in my oppinion is again chansey/blissey (hard to tell here cause of the work up and superpower thing, but i would also say its more a check than a "real" counter ). the other pokemon "named" as counter are checks based on hydreigons movepool and prediction. chansey/blissey: there are rarely seen special pokemon who can beat that thing. cause of special bulk and even phys bulk you are "forced" to counter it. there are a lot more monster out there who are very scary if they once set up DD, SD, calm mind,shell smash if you now compare conkeldurr to all those pokemon. i think its more than fair to say he is in the same spot than the other pokemon.Super Strong, but not too strong!
  15. MosesBrenner

    OU Tier Discussion Request Thread

    gyarados isnt a safe check. volcarona can run hp electro. dragonite is down vs hp ice. vs azumarill she immediately use an attack azumarill down. Reuniclus can run thunder (in rain team for example) or hits all thunder 70%.like i said you guys all expect the perfect set, moves and predictions vs several pokemon. your also forced to play around chansey/blissey, volcarona,reuniclus.
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