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You are not even close, its like you didn't even read any post i made at all .. "I want it all and i want it now" is no where near welling to grind for months like old breeding was till i finally get 1 perfect pokemon that i desire but the whole deference between what i want and what you say is that i want it to stay once i'm there .. whatever it takes a week, month or even 2 to just get one perfect but i could actually make a use of it after i'm there .. if that's not the opposite for what you have said then you should go read all the posts all over again and then come back to talk after that. we don't complain in other RPG games cuz as i said we grind but together as a team against other teams or dungeons so we would be actually playing the game instead of mindless grinding alone so its very very different one from another. finally if you don't like our opinion that much while we are the majority why don't you go find some other game which suits your version of this MMO bullshit ? need i tell you this is our community all not just yours or someone else's ? I think I'm out of here because again this went over the line for no reason at all except some of us has boring life and want to be buried under a whole shit of tedious time-consuming grinding for ever or something like that. some things never change after all. Could you refer to any one in-particular ? or even better do you think it was anyway near this kind of complaining that goes over 5 months ? you know what ? never mind me .. the game rocks and the economy is booming and its never been better. and I'm the evil one who wants to take all that away from you. Good luck for all of you

I don't really know why am i arguing again in that matter while its been 5 months with almost the same ppl defending and also the same are hating and all with the same point of view .. never i seen opinion on either side other than this should be an mmo which require grinding and that it was far too easy before the update to breed and on the other side pls let us keep the parents and no more grinding. something came across my mind now that there is not one MMO with this kind of grinding ever .. if you know one please name it. each and every MMO which have grinding also come along with a nice way to do it .. for example PVP battles for points/tokens of armour or battle arena/battle ground which is also a PVP event with team-meats for that kind of grinding or dungeons also with team-meats to get the epic parts of armour needed. you know what's in-common among all of those ? is that i actually play with my friends/team-meats in order to grind for those points/tokens/parts which is the whole purpose of any MMO game which is playing with others as an end-game content. here i have to grind for months to be able to do that meaning i have to play alone cycling/walking/surfing/NPC battling for most of the time and play with others much much less .. so what would that make this game ? a failure MMO or multi-single game ? If you do believe that the grinding it self is an end-game content or if you really love it so much then you should probably find another way to introduce it .. a better and funnier way like PVP tournaments held by staff and the winner gets 3/4x31 breeders as if it is an event and the winner gets the epic token that should be much better way and i would actually try to enter despite that i'm not a comp player but that gives me a purpose for entering. or you could use the battle frontier for the same purpose .. this way we don't have to grind alone and would actually stop catching and start playing together. as for cody and Arimanius and all others that say they are fine with the grinding process except IV narrowing .. could you actually grant that its fun for everyone else other than your self ? did it ever occurred to you that its not fun or noway near acceptable to others ever ? I would like to stop saying that i hate it so much and rather think about what others lose not what i gain .. before the update yea some could say the economy was bad back then but did actually someone complain about it ? new-player & old-player all were getting along with it with less than 10% of the complaining now. so why on earth would it be changed in the first place ? weren't there anything else to fix or add rather than ruining some part of the game for casual players ? I don't want the old system back, we are way passed this point now (allowing the parents to have more eggs than just 1 wouldn't be turning back to RNG anyway) but i did suggest something and who those don't like it may suggest even better but as i said stop defending and start suggesting would be a better discussion in each and every way

200k was an example thats all .. i don't think you can make a decent one in the current system with less than 500-600k each :) as for the cloning part let's agree to disagree ok ? you call it cloning i call it breeding .. you call the current system breeding i call it refinement. so as long as the ivs doesn't really duplicate from the parents exactly the same its not cloning because that would make all of us a cloned version from our parents/ancestors which is not true at all. Next time please don't try to force your opinion over mine or anyone else's .. either its happening or not that's the dev's call not yours and even if they don't listen to the majority and just do what they want/see but still they are the ones who could actually say that not anyone else. Now i made a suggestion so if you want to discuss it please be my guest other ways please don't just defend the current system blindly saying that its way much better/ more fun than the old or any other one because clearly every one has his own opinion and what's fun to you maybe not for some others and vice versa.

not really .. the rich can get more richer in any situation ( except for the current one which makes every one poor to death XD ) but with 200k parents the new and the poor as well can actually have a chance to do something .. in the current system the poor have to grind not only 200k for 1 pokemon but 200k for each on in the team which would make it hard like hell to get in shape before spending a month at least in hell grinding .. but with my suggestion they could only grind for the first one then profit from it by selling or even using as a material to the other pokemon which share the same egg-group as well so it wont be hell grinding again like the current one. in other words they have a real chance in becoming breeders/richer by far more decent time than the current one implies.

I'm well aware of that but after PTS there should be an update (hoping it wont last 1 and a half month like the last one ) Not necessarily .. it sure will add more cost but in-exchange we would have more eggs to use/sell so it would be cost-efficient and profitable to a cretin degree and that would make a heather economy. for example if you spent 200k on 2 parents to breed (praces and stuff) then spent 100k for each egg that would make a total of 500k (3 eggs and the parents cost ) then you could sell them for 600k minimum.

Hello again :) i'm back since there should be an update soon ( i hope according to the last announcement) and glad to see that there is still an arguing about the breeding system. I think i might have a suggestion that should satisfay everyone (except devs maybe XD ) First of all lets agree that there is always be something sacrificed in the process .. not everything could just be great with no more drawbacks because we are not just in heaven yet. so we have 3-4 major points here: 1- Economy 2- Breeding 3- Comp scene and last but not least (if some may see it as an aspect) 4- Species rarity (which should be represented in economy already as the value of each species) 1- Economy : on the contrary to cody's opinion(with all my respect) we all should agree that the economy sucks more than ever.. i agree with him that the only thing worth selling before the update was 3x and up naming the prefect pokes to be exact. but now the only thing which is selling is low-level breeders (i mean 1x,2x and dittos) but the higher-end is sold for double the value to get a worth while breeding profit so nobody really buy them any more (except maybe a very few who could actually buy 1 or 2 at max then they run out of money ). so we just switched higher end to the lower end and thats all. 2- Breeding : now that you take the parents we go through the whole process again and again and also again on the contrary to cody's and Kizhaz's opinions (to me at least) that it self is a problem .. yeah the grind is toooooo much but removing it wont solve my problem ( and i think maybe more than just me) it sure would help easing the process to make it much bearable but i still want to have the ability to reuse my breeders at least until i get their value back (3-4 eggs should be more than enough). 3 & 4 can't argue about them cuz i'm not really into them so if anybody finds any problem with my suggestion below please be my guest and make a post about it. Now for the suggestion ( was suggested once or twice before but here goes nothing ) 1- Parents get a rippon counter up to 3-4 egg breeding and after that they die/taken away/killed or even just prevented from breeding & trading anymore. 2- according to the egg ivs there should be a fee on receving the egg for example < 25 status 10k each ( that means for 6x25 the fee would be 50k ), = 26-27 status 15k, and so on. that would make a fixed cost for each stander iv and ofcourse 31 would make the max fees so that would keep the prices over a cretin range for each iv. this should help the economy stabilised for perfect comps as well as the low-end breeders. ( except if people go only after buying or selling 31s again and low-end wont have much buyer as well but that's what called supply and demand and there is nothing we can do about it but at least we kept the higher-end over the the lower's to give it a fair chance) 3- again according to the egg species the should be an additional fee to keep the value of that species ( that goes only to fix what DarkShade's argument after the updates suggestions cuz i don't really see why this is a problem while we all get that species on way or another in max 2 hrs of grinding/trading anyway) This should make everybody happy except those who think we should grind like hell to join them on the scene ( which isn't really my problem because we are not about how we get there ) if the game is just too easy for you then try make a more challenging goal like win with rattata only or something like that because we are here to play as we all like not just a punch of ppl like no offence to anyone)

As always its pointless to argue with someone who doesn't share your proof of concepts. to me i was looking for a pokemon game that i can play with my friends/others not just another type of MMO game. i joined here for graphics & breeding mainly but now it is gone so i should really think about going back. It really makes me sad that a great game like this had to go through this path of nonsense comparing instead of evolving what we have before and looking for the right solution that fits us as a whole. Thank you guys for bearing my "stupid concept arguing" and c u after another patch "or something that would make it interesting once again"

Again you missed the point :) I don't NEED to breed 25+ in all. because they are already in the wild so if anybody is aiming for that should just grind for it with no breeding required. if somehow i should invest so why would i pay 600k to buy 25+ in all pokemon while i can get 4-5x31 with the same amount of money ? another thing is that nobody care to buy 25+ in all in the first place so why would i breed it ?? i said many times i'm not into the comp scene so i'm breeding for sell mostly so got the point now ? The other point is that in any and i mean any game you could think of as an MMO (which uses your armor/weapon theory ofc) you can't be possibly be using 2 shields or swords at the same time and if some how you can then you can't use more than 2 because c'mon you only have 2 hands not a million, but in our beloved game we HAVE to use 6 pokemons (or swords if you want to call it that way) so i need to be able to reuse the materials (which isn't a material in the first place but let's just get along for now) to make another. Finally as a pokemon game (which we should be last i checked) we should have a breeding system not a refinement system because before calling that we are MMO game, we are a POKEMON MMO game so it is a main concept here. So please let's preserve the concepts first before going after another MMO types comparing .. can we ?

You completely missed my point at least .. i don't think me or anybody else complaining about how hard it is to get 6x31 (it is time consuming and tedious but nobody said it is hard). my point (in the last post i mean) is why would i grind for breeding 25 ivs ? it is in the wild already and i can get it more common than 2-3x31 in wild. so if i'm going to breed i better go for 31 all the way along. why on earth would i pay 600k for praces just to get 25+ ivs in all ?? that is my point up there. but in-general we are complaining about 2 main points here : 1- This is not a breeding anymore. we all agreed its now fusion/refinment system. and that should take out any other opinion about the difference between prev breeding and the current system. 2- It is horrible idea to think about actually breed for sale (going through the whole process even to get 4x31 again and again forever ... that's insane if you ask me ) 3- Going through the same process (again) but for breeding same egg-group also makes no sense (if i went through that pain to breed bagon for example why should i do it again to breed charmander ?) shouldn't i would be able to benefit from sharing egg-group to enhance my other same egg-group pokemons as well ?

Why would i bother to breed 25+ in the first place ? its not worth breeding at all .. in fact i find 25+ in all status in the wild more common than 2x31 so if you are saying that you are looking for one with 25+ in all then go and catch one there is no need for u 2 breed at all. For me if i'm going to breed then i should go after the best not just a workable one. for 5-6x31 i have 2 catch 100s+ of them so i'm sure i can find a workable one across them which may or may not require speed breeding and thats it And you should know by now that players aren't buying the 25+ either. if you checked the market laitly you should know that they are only going after 1-2x31 to breed with .. almost no one would buy any thing else. not 25+ and not 4:6x31

You got to be kidding me .. after 1000s of posts and you still cant find any reason or sensibility in them ? I take back my thanks 2 u :lol: :P

What i'm trying to say is that in other MMOs each one grind for his own and his own only so he wont be needing that after he finish collecting, but in our case we actually can breed for others and trade which make this an end-game content by it self so we won't stop at 6 or 10 or even 50 pokemon we will always want to breed more and sell and so on. which will lead back to why the heck are we grinding for 50 pokemon to just make 1 pokemon then sell it then go over the whole process again and again ? you said your self "breeding should require a bit of grinding" not a whole life of it. i'm not against grinding it self no matter how tedious and boring and how much i hate it but against killing the parents after only one laosy egg which will make me go grind again and again and again for each pokemon to sell .. i said i can grind for even a month to get only 2 pokemon but after that i should sit back and relax and watch my hard work payoff by letting the parents lay eggs and sell them even with the lowest price i will be able to get back the money i spent and the time i spent by making a pure profit. thats what breeding is and how should it payoff. species rarity & stabilizing the market should have another way of keeping balance rather than sacrificing the breeding role (as cody and many others including myself suggested we can use a lifespan or durability) or any other method that doesn't harm one of the main pillars of the game.

Finally you admit it :D what a relief. you know what was my problem ? is that you guys was acting like "What are you guys talking about ? the new breeding rules. are you guys nuts ?" or something like that .. you never agreed that we have a problem in the first place and with just a tiny bit of refining (IV confirmation and so on) it would be perfect which was far from true for us. Its one thing to say : yes we know what are you guys talking about ( i mean me and the other 100s of breeders who hate the parent killing) and that they understand and will work on a better solution (opening a thread for suggestions or telling what are they thinking about would be even better) and saying that this is an MMO shit game strategy like any other and suck it up because that's how it will be is totally another thing at all. We could be patient enough to wait for the coming patch or the next one if any of them just told us that it will be worked out. but the general attitude which is that's how it works is not encouraging at all for waiting or even playing at all. So i thank you from the bottom of my heart :lol: Just wanted to add something for Noad which is grinding was never and will not be ever a playing style for end-game content .. cuz it has to stop at some point or another .. its just a part a tiny little part which will have to occur for 1 week, 2 weeks or even a month until the player gets what he/she desire (a full armor, cretin weapon .. etc ) then will move on to voting items/ donor items which all just help in PVP or PVE as an end-game content in our case that's totally different because as a breeder .. the breeding it self (surely not the grinding part) is an end-game content (trading/selling/collecting .. etc) which with the current grinding process never will be rewarding nor fun or even worth the doing at all. (imagine that you as a seller want to sell 10 not 50 or 100 but just 10 pokemons then you should grind for a month or something ?? and after that would the price whatever it is worth the tedious work you did ?? i'm sure that's not even close am i right ?) Finally for grinding lovers : go grind for some shiny or something else instead of ruining my precious beautiful breeding or any other part of the game

low ball on selling or buying ? i could think of many people or in fact all people who used to sell 5x at over 1 mil as a price which is equal or greater than the current price and ppl actually bought things back then. as i said the only ones who suffered the most in prev breeding was 2x up to 4x because the ability to breed them all day long but even now while there prices went up a bit but still no one buys them

I think i also replayed for this one and to clear things up i never yield at devs in order to go back to the previous system .. i made it clear that i want to find a better solution than the current fusion system that's all .. a one that include breeding as we know not some fusion system. I think we all have been breeding this way for the past year and half and yeah the prices were dropping for 3x31 and 4x but 6x31 and 5x31 wasn't dropping at all .. they stayed 800k and up to 4mil for some dual egg-group if you remember (wooper was a main example back then ) and windqueen was absolutely the queen of prices back then .. am i right ? :D

I think i will pass on continuing this argument then until you start realizing/acknowledging that we have a problem which is we don't understand each other at all. Is acknowledging that we have a problem that needs to fix is one thing and ignoring a whole punch of other players as they doesn't matter or even doesn't exist is a totally different things. When you start treat us ( me/you/ the ones that agrees and the ones that disagrees with the new system/killing the parents) as a whole community then we can start discussing how can we find a suitable solution for all of us. otherwise as long as we are considered as a replaceable part of the community or even worse that we are not a part of the community at all this discussion would be a waste of time like i said before.

Believe me we had this suggestion a year ago even with the old system it should have been done along time ago .. it would have helped maintain prices and it would be much easier as well. It would have never gone this far because even if i had to keep my parents i would still trying 100 times to get another 6x31 or even 5x31 .. its not that we had breeding 6x31 all day long right ? So i would and nobody would never sell it cheap anyway. Another fact that if we wanted a pokemon sink we should have thought about lifespan/durability rather than ruining our breeders lives . it would have made much more sense than trading off our hard-worked breeders

To get this over with i suggest any of the following : Devs chose a statistic way to measure the votes with and against the new system.. this way when we all agree to the majority then at least some of us rest assured this was the best option we have. If possible devs could open a new server with previous breeding system or even better with the new system without killing the parents which would allow us (the ones against killing the parents) to play freely the way we like and that should make us all happy ( if we have to leave then at least we would still part of this community) Open a thread discussing what other solutions we might have to fix the economy (with species value included) Devs just tell us to go play somewhere else because they aren't changing anything and that would give us the closure we need to go away :)

Who said that we don't have enough people to buy in the old system ? even with the overflowing market people still buy it because there was always a new players and broke players who can't afford to pay for 6x31 or even 5x31. another thing that the market was active enough so how can you say there wasn't enough buyers and where did you get that from ? currently means we are discussing a new one or a better one but this isn't the case here because in each and every post you make (devs and new system lovers) you state clearly "We like it this way" so there isn't really a discussion about a better solution. Even more who said this is the best solution over the previous one ? apparently there is a major part of the past 3 months threads was discussing/ complaining about the new system so says who exactly ?

You are speaking about 50 hours for a team of 6 and total forgetting there is others who which to breed for selling/ having fun and girding is totally out of question for those unless i have to grind for 100 hours and then i could sit back and relax and watch my handwork of tedious grinding payoff in other way than having a comp team that i don't use in the first place because i'm not a comp player and that makes battle simulator out of question as well. I think i made it clear that i would be more than welling to discuss that once we all agreed that we have a problem and we are open to discuss a solution for it. but at the current situation that stats "We like it so we don't have a problem to discuss in the first place" discussing won't do anything more than wasting our time and thats all

I don't really know which thread do u mean but i never stated that i don't like the new mechanism itself .. its just the killing parents part isn't worth it. you said you want to give the new system a try and never stated the you wouldn't return to the old system no matter what Again please try to understand what i'm saying .. i'm not against a healthy economy at all .. there is always another way to get that done .. killing the parents doesn't mean a healthy economy and vice verse having or aiming for a healthier economy doesn't mean we have to kill the parents. there have to be another way a one that suits our game nature and yeah the breeding was similar to handheld games except killing the parents part making it not a breeding anymore because breeding means 2 parents having a child that makes a total of 3 and definitely not 1. That's what breeding is and trading the parents to the day care man is not an exception and doesn't make a difference than killing them anyway. Please could you reconsider another solution ? :)

I have to say its not rewarding enough at least for me because i have to make all the process all over again for each pokemon i want so where is the rewarding part in this ? So what does that make it exactly ? if the market was active more doesn't this mean we at least had an economy back there even if the prices were not valuable enough ? Now the prices are skyrocketing but nobody wants to buy and even more i for myself don't want to sell due to the fact i spent so much time grinding for it and i didn't even have the chance to do anything with it except for battling with. I have to ask to whom do you mean desirable may i ask ? it sure isn't for me and i wont speak about anybody else the can speak for them selves. Now i have a question : when you lunched this bombshell on the PTS and them on the live server after that you said "You wont change it back before at least ppl give it a chance" am i right ? now we gave it more than a chance and still so many ppl hate it or to be more precise we don't see the control you gave us worth killing parents part at all in fact we would rather go back to the old breeding over having all this control just to get rid of killing the parents so why don't you say something or listen ? why all of you guys just defending blindly the new system even though it take away a precious part of the game which was the breeding it self ? i get it that you want a healthy economy and keep the species rarity but lets face it .. this is and it should be still a pokemon game and a main part of this game was and still and should be a breeding by every mean of the word. not fusion or refinement or any other MMO crafting meaning. why don't you share your thoughts to the community and lets all figure things out because 10 heads are better than 5 and 50 is far more better don't you think ? Again please please please let's all discuss a solution whether its for the old breeding problem or for the new breeding problems with open minds and we shall find a solution that satisfy all of us or at least the majority (and i don't mean a specific group) because there will be always someone who doesn't like it ( but at least won't be 58 and definitely wont be 190 of them either )

So is this official ? I really would like the devs to confirm that because if that's the case then i should really stop coming here and start looking for another game/community that suits me. a one that have a real breeding not some mmo fantasy theory.

Correction then :) I'm not and in never said that I'm a representative for all breeders despite that i think I'm doing a great job :), but even though i think we should all agree that the current system is not a breeding anymore you may start calling it refinement or fusion system so that doesn't really make you a breeder anymore. but as you said i can state my own opinion for myself and on behalf of another 57 person who voted against it in the other thread and also for the 193 person also voted against it in the thread before that so what do you think ? Am I the only one calling against it ? ;)