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You are not even close, its like you didn't even read any post i made at all .. "I want it all and i want it now" is no where near welling to grind for months like old breeding was till i finally get 1 perfect pokemon that i desire but the whole deference between what i want and what you say is that i want it to stay once i'm there .. whatever it takes a week, month or even 2 to just get one perfect but i could actually make a use of it after i'm there .. if that's not the opposite for what you have said then you should go read all the posts all over again and then come back to talk after that. we don't complain in other RPG games cuz as i said we grind but together as a team against other teams or dungeons so we would be actually playing the game instead of mindless grinding alone so its very very different one from another. finally if you don't like our opinion that much while we are the majority why don't you go find some other game which suits your version of this MMO bullshit ? need i tell you this is our community all not just yours or someone else's ? I think I'm out of here because again this went over the line for no reason at all except some of us has boring life and want to be buried under a whole shit of tedious time-consuming grinding for ever or something like that. some things never change after all. Could you refer to any one in-particular ? or even better do you think it was anyway near this kind of complaining that goes over 5 months ? you know what ? never mind me .. the game rocks and the economy is booming and its never been better. and I'm the evil one who wants to take all that away from you. Good luck for all of you

I don't really know why am i arguing again in that matter while its been 5 months with almost the same ppl defending and also the same are hating and all with the same point of view .. never i seen opinion on either side other than this should be an mmo which require grinding and that it was far too easy before the update to breed and on the other side pls let us keep the parents and no more grinding. something came across my mind now that there is not one MMO with this kind of grinding ever .. if you know one please name it. each and every MMO which have grinding also come along with a nice way to do it .. for example PVP battles for points/tokens of armour or battle arena/battle ground which is also a PVP event with team-meats for that kind of grinding or dungeons also with team-meats to get the epic parts of armour needed. you know what's in-common among all of those ? is that i actually play with my friends/team-meats in order to grind for those points/tokens/parts which is the whole purpose of any MMO game which is playing with others as an end-game content. here i have to grind for months to be able to do that meaning i have to play alone cycling/walking/surfing/NPC battling for most of the time and play with others much much less .. so what would that make this game ? a failure MMO or multi-single game ? If you do believe that the grinding it self is an end-game content or if you really love it so much then you should probably find another way to introduce it .. a better and funnier way like PVP tournaments held by staff and the winner gets 3/4x31 breeders as if it is an event and the winner gets the epic token that should be much better way and i would actually try to enter despite that i'm not a comp player but that gives me a purpose for entering. or you could use the battle frontier for the same purpose .. this way we don't have to grind alone and would actually stop catching and start playing together. as for cody and Arimanius and all others that say they are fine with the grinding process except IV narrowing .. could you actually grant that its fun for everyone else other than your self ? did it ever occurred to you that its not fun or noway near acceptable to others ever ? I would like to stop saying that i hate it so much and rather think about what others lose not what i gain .. before the update yea some could say the economy was bad back then but did actually someone complain about it ? new-player & old-player all were getting along with it with less than 10% of the complaining now. so why on earth would it be changed in the first place ? weren't there anything else to fix or add rather than ruining some part of the game for casual players ? I don't want the old system back, we are way passed this point now (allowing the parents to have more eggs than just 1 wouldn't be turning back to RNG anyway) but i did suggest something and who those don't like it may suggest even better but as i said stop defending and start suggesting would be a better discussion in each and every way

200k was an example thats all .. i don't think you can make a decent one in the current system with less than 500-600k each :) as for the cloning part let's agree to disagree ok ? you call it cloning i call it breeding .. you call the current system breeding i call it refinement. so as long as the ivs doesn't really duplicate from the parents exactly the same its not cloning because that would make all of us a cloned version from our parents/ancestors which is not true at all. Next time please don't try to force your opinion over mine or anyone else's .. either its happening or not that's the dev's call not yours and even if they don't listen to the majority and just do what they want/see but still they are the ones who could actually say that not anyone else. Now i made a suggestion so if you want to discuss it please be my guest other ways please don't just defend the current system blindly saying that its way much better/ more fun than the old or any other one because clearly every one has his own opinion and what's fun to you maybe not for some others and vice versa.

not really .. the rich can get more richer in any situation ( except for the current one which makes every one poor to death XD ) but with 200k parents the new and the poor as well can actually have a chance to do something .. in the current system the poor have to grind not only 200k for 1 pokemon but 200k for each on in the team which would make it hard like hell to get in shape before spending a month at least in hell grinding .. but with my suggestion they could only grind for the first one then profit from it by selling or even using as a material to the other pokemon which share the same egg-group as well so it wont be hell grinding again like the current one. in other words they have a real chance in becoming breeders/richer by far more decent time than the current one implies.

I'm well aware of that but after PTS there should be an update (hoping it wont last 1 and a half month like the last one ) Not necessarily .. it sure will add more cost but in-exchange we would have more eggs to use/sell so it would be cost-efficient and profitable to a cretin degree and that would make a heather economy. for example if you spent 200k on 2 parents to breed (praces and stuff) then spent 100k for each egg that would make a total of 500k (3 eggs and the parents cost ) then you could sell them for 600k minimum.

Hello again :) i'm back since there should be an update soon ( i hope according to the last announcement) and glad to see that there is still an arguing about the breeding system. I think i might have a suggestion that should satisfay everyone (except devs maybe XD ) First of all lets agree that there is always be something sacrificed in the process .. not everything could just be great with no more drawbacks because we are not just in heaven yet. so we have 3-4 major points here: 1- Economy 2- Breeding 3- Comp scene and last but not least (if some may see it as an aspect) 4- Species rarity (which should be represented in economy already as the value of each species) 1- Economy : on the contrary to cody's opinion(with all my respect) we all should agree that the economy sucks more than ever.. i agree with him that the only thing worth selling before the update was 3x and up naming the prefect pokes to be exact. but now the only thing which is selling is low-level breeders (i mean 1x,2x and dittos) but the higher-end is sold for double the value to get a worth while breeding profit so nobody really buy them any more (except maybe a very few who could actually buy 1 or 2 at max then they run out of money ). so we just switched higher end to the lower end and thats all. 2- Breeding : now that you take the parents we go through the whole process again and again and also again on the contrary to cody's and Kizhaz's opinions (to me at least) that it self is a problem .. yeah the grind is toooooo much but removing it wont solve my problem ( and i think maybe more than just me) it sure would help easing the process to make it much bearable but i still want to have the ability to reuse my breeders at least until i get their value back (3-4 eggs should be more than enough). 3 & 4 can't argue about them cuz i'm not really into them so if anybody finds any problem with my suggestion below please be my guest and make a post about it. Now for the suggestion ( was suggested once or twice before but here goes nothing ) 1- Parents get a rippon counter up to 3-4 egg breeding and after that they die/taken away/killed or even just prevented from breeding & trading anymore. 2- according to the egg ivs there should be a fee on receving the egg for example < 25 status 10k each ( that means for 6x25 the fee would be 50k ), = 26-27 status 15k, and so on. that would make a fixed cost for each stander iv and ofcourse 31 would make the max fees so that would keep the prices over a cretin range for each iv. this should help the economy stabilised for perfect comps as well as the low-end breeders. ( except if people go only after buying or selling 31s again and low-end wont have much buyer as well but that's what called supply and demand and there is nothing we can do about it but at least we kept the higher-end over the the lower's to give it a fair chance) 3- again according to the egg species the should be an additional fee to keep the value of that species ( that goes only to fix what DarkShade's argument after the updates suggestions cuz i don't really see why this is a problem while we all get that species on way or another in max 2 hrs of grinding/trading anyway) This should make everybody happy except those who think we should grind like hell to join them on the scene ( which isn't really my problem because we are not about how we get there ) if the game is just too easy for you then try make a more challenging goal like win with rattata only or something like that because we are here to play as we all like not just a punch of ppl like no offence to anyone)

As always its pointless to argue with someone who doesn't share your proof of concepts. to me i was looking for a pokemon game that i can play with my friends/others not just another type of MMO game. i joined here for graphics & breeding mainly but now it is gone so i should really think about going back. It really makes me sad that a great game like this had to go through this path of nonsense comparing instead of evolving what we have before and looking for the right solution that fits us as a whole. Thank you guys for bearing my "stupid concept arguing" and c u after another patch "or something that would make it interesting once again"

Again you missed the point :) I don't NEED to breed 25+ in all. because they are already in the wild so if anybody is aiming for that should just grind for it with no breeding required. if somehow i should invest so why would i pay 600k to buy 25+ in all pokemon while i can get 4-5x31 with the same amount of money ? another thing is that nobody care to buy 25+ in all in the first place so why would i breed it ?? i said many times i'm not into the comp scene so i'm breeding for sell mostly so got the point now ? The other point is that in any and i mean any game you could think of as an MMO (which uses your armor/weapon theory ofc) you can't be possibly be using 2 shields or swords at the same time and if some how you can then you can't use more than 2 because c'mon you only have 2 hands not a million, but in our beloved game we HAVE to use 6 pokemons (or swords if you want to call it that way) so i need to be able to reuse the materials (which isn't a material in the first place but let's just get along for now) to make another. Finally as a pokemon game (which we should be last i checked) we should have a breeding system not a refinement system because before calling that we are MMO game, we are a POKEMON MMO game so it is a main concept here. So please let's preserve the concepts first before going after another MMO types comparing .. can we ?

You completely missed my point at least .. i don't think me or anybody else complaining about how hard it is to get 6x31 (it is time consuming and tedious but nobody said it is hard). my point (in the last post i mean) is why would i grind for breeding 25 ivs ? it is in the wild already and i can get it more common than 2-3x31 in wild. so if i'm going to breed i better go for 31 all the way along. why on earth would i pay 600k for praces just to get 25+ ivs in all ?? that is my point up there. but in-general we are complaining about 2 main points here : 1- This is not a breeding anymore. we all agreed its now fusion/refinment system. and that should take out any other opinion about the difference between prev breeding and the current system. 2- It is horrible idea to think about actually breed for sale (going through the whole process even to get 4x31 again and again forever ... that's insane if you ask me ) 3- Going through the same process (again) but for breeding same egg-group also makes no sense (if i went through that pain to breed bagon for example why should i do it again to breed charmander ?) shouldn't i would be able to benefit from sharing egg-group to enhance my other same egg-group pokemons as well ?

Why would i bother to breed 25+ in the first place ? its not worth breeding at all .. in fact i find 25+ in all status in the wild more common than 2x31 so if you are saying that you are looking for one with 25+ in all then go and catch one there is no need for u 2 breed at all. For me if i'm going to breed then i should go after the best not just a workable one. for 5-6x31 i have 2 catch 100s+ of them so i'm sure i can find a workable one across them which may or may not require speed breeding and thats it And you should know by now that players aren't buying the 25+ either. if you checked the market laitly you should know that they are only going after 1-2x31 to breed with .. almost no one would buy any thing else. not 25+ and not 4:6x31

You got to be kidding me .. after 1000s of posts and you still cant find any reason or sensibility in them ? I take back my thanks 2 u :lol: :P

What i'm trying to say is that in other MMOs each one grind for his own and his own only so he wont be needing that after he finish collecting, but in our case we actually can breed for others and trade which make this an end-game content by it self so we won't stop at 6 or 10 or even 50 pokemon we will always want to breed more and sell and so on. which will lead back to why the heck are we grinding for 50 pokemon to just make 1 pokemon then sell it then go over the whole process again and again ? you said your self "breeding should require a bit of grinding" not a whole life of it. i'm not against grinding it self no matter how tedious and boring and how much i hate it but against killing the parents after only one laosy egg which will make me go grind again and again and again for each pokemon to sell .. i said i can grind for even a month to get only 2 pokemon but after that i should sit back and relax and watch my hard work payoff by letting the parents lay eggs and sell them even with the lowest price i will be able to get back the money i spent and the time i spent by making a pure profit. thats what breeding is and how should it payoff. species rarity & stabilizing the market should have another way of keeping balance rather than sacrificing the breeding role (as cody and many others including myself suggested we can use a lifespan or durability) or any other method that doesn't harm one of the main pillars of the game.

Finally you admit it :D what a relief. you know what was my problem ? is that you guys was acting like "What are you guys talking about ? the new breeding rules. are you guys nuts ?" or something like that .. you never agreed that we have a problem in the first place and with just a tiny bit of refining (IV confirmation and so on) it would be perfect which was far from true for us. Its one thing to say : yes we know what are you guys talking about ( i mean me and the other 100s of breeders who hate the parent killing) and that they understand and will work on a better solution (opening a thread for suggestions or telling what are they thinking about would be even better) and saying that this is an MMO shit game strategy like any other and suck it up because that's how it will be is totally another thing at all. We could be patient enough to wait for the coming patch or the next one if any of them just told us that it will be worked out. but the general attitude which is that's how it works is not encouraging at all for waiting or even playing at all. So i thank you from the bottom of my heart :lol: Just wanted to add something for Noad which is grinding was never and will not be ever a playing style for end-game content .. cuz it has to stop at some point or another .. its just a part a tiny little part which will have to occur for 1 week, 2 weeks or even a month until the player gets what he/she desire (a full armor, cretin weapon .. etc ) then will move on to voting items/ donor items which all just help in PVP or PVE as an end-game content in our case that's totally different because as a breeder .. the breeding it self (surely not the grinding part) is an end-game content (trading/selling/collecting .. etc) which with the current grinding process never will be rewarding nor fun or even worth the doing at all. (imagine that you as a seller want to sell 10 not 50 or 100 but just 10 pokemons then you should grind for a month or something ?? and after that would the price whatever it is worth the tedious work you did ?? i'm sure that's not even close am i right ?) Finally for grinding lovers : go grind for some shiny or something else instead of ruining my precious beautiful breeding or any other part of the game

low ball on selling or buying ? i could think of many people or in fact all people who used to sell 5x at over 1 mil as a price which is equal or greater than the current price and ppl actually bought things back then. as i said the only ones who suffered the most in prev breeding was 2x up to 4x because the ability to breed them all day long but even now while there prices went up a bit but still no one buys them