Oh I see we're skipping the other important parts of a "check" definition to suit yourself. Here, let me help you out tinyboi:
"Pokémon A checks Pokémon B if, when Pokémon A is given a free switch into Pokémon B, Pokémon A can win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax."
And switching into rocks isn't even the worst case scenario, it's the most common battle condition. Such a distinguished, experienced and recognized competitive player as yourself should know it, yeah?
You calcs make absolutely no point. I mentioned those pokes myself. I also don't know why are you calcing Ice Shard vs Azumarill and not EQ, additionally adding a calc on Mamo after rocks to just prove your point which makes totally no sense whatsoever. Also keep in mind, we play 50s in MMO, not 100s, so your calcs look a bit different. Let me give you a short lesson: if you wanna make that calc relevant, it should look like this:
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mamoswine: 152-180 (82.1 - 97.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Azumarill: 146-173 (83.4 - 98.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
And Azu absolutely has to aqua jet or it risks getting KOd.
If Mamoswine runs Jolly, it's a speed tie and a gamble, that's not a check, it's a 50/50 and a gamble at best unless Medicham is scarf. It's obvious that every scarf user is capable of scaring off Mamoswine, but I thought I'd point it out for you, especially after I see you are calcing on level 100s.
252+ Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Yanmega: 109-133 (67.7 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Great check you got there lmao
I'm going through NU calcs and I don't even know where to start tearing apart those calcs. Why are you calcing Ice Shard everywhere? Let me bring up something from my previous post which you seem to have missed (again):
Why would Mamoswine Ice Shard a Kangaskhan when it can EQ/ Superpower it???? Same goes for 90% of the other completely irrelevant calcs you made, which prove nothing of your point.
DAMN MAN WHAT AN ARGUMENT I'M TOTALLY CONVINCED XDDDD
There's a difference between "unorthodox" and "unviable". How is it possible that Life didn't give you a single lesson about taking part in competitive discussions while you're in NORE?
Thank you for stating the obvious, I believe you're forgetting that on the other side is another player who sees your team, knows what he's weak to, predicts and if he has a Mamoswine, even with your 5 super viable checks like Yanmega that dies to ice shard after rocks, you're up for a hard time. If something gets a "free switch" on Mamoswine, it's on 95% because Mamoswine already killed something (and the mon comes to revenge kill/ scare mamo away)= it has already done most of it's job. You are writing that something gets a free switch on Mamoswine, and how actually is a mon getting a free switch on it? The only options I see is via u-turn as mamo switches in, or by predicting, which should not be part of the discussion about a pokemon's viability and level of powercreep in the tier.
Like I mentioned earlier, you also need to keep your checks healthy. Pokemon battles are usually played 6v6 you know, it's not simple to keep all your mons non-chipped through the entire match.
???????????? How does this statement prove that Mamoswine is not overpowered? You're mistaking the terms. You can say that it's not "unhealthy" but according to calcs, Mamoswine is overpowered. Only an idiot can argue about that after seeing that it can OHKO/ 2hko the entire tier with the only exception of Bronzong. Additionally we do not talk about OU or NU here, it's UU which is in question and it's well-being, I've been playing offense in that tier at the time when it had eviolite P2 and cofag in it and I was winning officials and team tournaments with Aura. I agree that it is a metagame that punishes more offensive play but it does not mean that we should bring a totally broken mon into the tier and completely fuck it over.
See tinyboi, in my books you're a complete no-name. No official wins, pretty much zero accolades, you got destroyed by me in our latest UU match in maybe 16 turns (and this is after I returned to the game after 5 month absence), yet ego on the level of bowser. He could at least back his ego up with quite a few official wins. Actually when I sent the previous post I remembered I had a bout with you, I think 2 seasons ago, but you're such a noname that I just completely forgot about who you are and what happened back then. If a person like that, who additionally never participated in a single discussion tells me that "I don't know what a check is", then you should be up for some fun with me. If you have no respect for me, don't expect it from me, especially with your passive aggressive stance. Your competitive accolades are of no comparisment to me both individual and TT wise, considering yourself better than me is a joke that actually made me laugh. The difference between us, is that you are the guy who needs to be coached, while I'm the person who coaches if needed. You're absolutely terrible kiddo, at both this game and discussing, I kinda regret sacrificing so much time to reply to your post, which pretty much embarasses yourself and exposes your lacks of knowledge and experience. You're light years behind me on a competitive level and I find it hilarious that a noname like you tries to prove that you're more successful based on one PSL season. Grow up, learn a bit about the game and participating in a discussion, maybe read some previous discussions (I would highly recommend reading @gbwead's posts, somehow I can always have a civilised discussion with him without any personal trips despite our opinions differ 90% of the time, maybe you should also learn a bit respect for people way better than you will ever be? ;v) ).
Come back when you will learn how discussion works. Short clues pointed out for you:
*If you include rocks on one side, include them on second
*Calc on level 50
*Make your calcs have some sense, there's no reason for a mon to use a weaker move if it can outspeed and strike with a stronger one
*Unhealthy =/= Centralizing =/= Offensive uber
If you are seriously pointing out Shelmet as a viable answer to Mamoswine, if we seriously need to reach for such obscure mons to counter it, then it deserves to be instabanned.
Im done educating you about how to participate in a dicussion, I'm not here to trade insults but to discuss Mamoswine as an offensive uber which additionally makes an entire playstyle (stall) unviable due to it's ability of OHKOing / 2hkoing the entire tier bar Bronzong, being overcentralizing due to its ridiculous power and becoming pretty much like Snorlax in 2014 or 2015, too good not to use. Try to address those points in your next post, if you will make one, that is.