Artemiseta

tbolt for water even without invest it does a lot and it lets u hit other gengars and just give better coverage

sub disable tbolt fp sub and disable the crunch

instead of expload, try tbolt or shdowball it gives u better coverage also consider making it lonely instead

ty noad <3 and you are right robo speed hinders it a lot. however base 55 with full invest for surpise still hits 107 if adamant ad 117 if jolly faster than wak who is base 45 and faster than other heavy hitters like it (aggron donphan armaldo). also then u need to have soething to switch in repeatedly to take abuse and hat is hard to come by with coverage. can haunter or another ghost live thunderpunch fo example if u force the switch

Throwing this thing out there (pun intended go boo all you want lol) this thing has a monstrous att. it is able to sweep through the majority of the meta with little to no set up this thing also has reasonable bulk so it can take hits if need be. only drawback is speed Key moves: Fire punch Thunder punch Ice punch Bulk Up Cross Chop Earthquake Rock Slide Super Power light screen (protection from the big bad psychics even though no one will do it, it remains a possibility) rest sleep talk Ability: Guts you cannot status this thing or you will feel the burn (totally on a roll at the moment) most common sets imo bulk up CC ice punch earthquake CB super power ice punch earthquake thunder punch bulk up super power ice punch earthquake lf fred to make a picture incoming wall of calcs coming I am fine waiting to see it in action and then discussing but I wanted to get the thread up to hear what everyone has to say on this subject overall i'de like to see it in action Discuss and keep it clean and on topic

atemiseta

lets look back at this maybe if other hard hitters are banned but imo right now umbreon can be dealt with it is limited with 4 slots standard set imo wish proect toxic pursuit. this is beaten down like blonde said with steels. umbreon come in then go aggron (first example I thought of) and let something repeatedly take shots from aggron who hits hard especially with CB different option mean look moonlight toxic protect. again any steel will deal with it. even with healing options then relies on toxic to deal a majority of the damage

oh forgot solrock can do a good job being immne to ground and resist double edge. it an cosmic power and can morning sun if it wants

armaldo works decently as well also could someone check calcs for alteria, defensive plume, defensive gorybass, duskclops, walrein, miltank, shuckle it may be a problem but ide like to see it in action before making a decision. only banned what was obvious problems

fred ill throw in 50k for ya

artemiseta

just cause someone asked what 4x resist bug charizard

artemiseta

you are not forced to run slowbro however over half the people already do as it is our best defensive wall at the moment run both if u chpse but you will lose coverage and if there is any priority you are in trouble if I recall slowbro is not oko'd by non cb megahorn (could be wrong I don't want to run calcs tho) fred might help if he likes me in your court now lol arc is viable in this meta it can run defensive with morning sun. it can toxic it is bulky it has a great ability and can go cb with espeed. will burn pokes with flame and has a physical stab fire move now if it so chooses

arcanine will cannot sweep through 75%of the meta with relative ease so please keep that in mind. qa is on pokes other than ratatta be serious also slowbro still wrecks blaze. tpunch does maybe 30% without cb or att boost while still tanking the reversal and blazekick

see comments above about charizard having a host of options to beat it down without resorting to priority moves if u running leichi on an endure reversal poke then anything and everything that is faster will beat it... not entirely sure how u used ghost quick attack argument. saying you did is still different as quick attack and espeed are 2 different things. espeed has twice the power of quick attack. quick attack is also used to pick off weaker poke that are using salic berries. not to mention there are at least 2 other espeed users in arcanine and linoone. if you choose to save the reversal pokemon for whatever reason it will not outspeed everything that it would before when u do revue reversal u have 1 health and literally any priority move can and will kill that pokemon. also its not like there are not gimmick sets out there which for the most part that is what endure reversal sets are gimmicky in nature

answer to fava yes it does get QA. which is very helpful but doesn't do the damage that dnite had with espeed

there is priority you just need to look for it we have arcanine for zard cb espeed still will put zard down. if you want to there is linoone there is quick attack on several pokes (run off blaziken high speed) you have mach punch. if there are pokes using reversal they are at 1 hp or there abouts (1 hp if u do t right)then u can hit with any priority move and kill them. in regrds to zard unless im mistaken u are talking about sub belly fire punch and I guess thunderpunch for coverage correct me if im wrong there but that is what makes sense answer to me. answer lanturn GG also you for zard you can use weezing, depending on the situation u can use arcanine. will think of more in a bit and edit them have other stuff to do. but zard can be dealt with imo this thread is about reversal so zard points are actually irrelevant use other priority moves to deal with endure reversal pokes or sub reversal pokes (this may involve losing a poke to them so sub is not still up or just use weezing and other walls like fortress for example) Art edit: other things to be used for zard. swampert, rhydon, golem, whishcast (spelling may be off), camprupt, anything rock/ground maybe even aggron and steelix with high def and claydol and marowak For the discussion lets wait and see if any of the other priority users can stop the reversal that may or may not be incoming

if ur looking for priotity then arcanine works well or for laughs quick att blaz espeed linoone mach punch pokes are out there as well all of these would work on an endure heracross at 1 hp power doesn't matter

just omg. why to go Tranz. cant say anything else kinda at loss for words

<3 this Noad

didn't see any major errors Craig a lot more sold on this I think it should be banned but ill listen to others opinions hp ice jolt wrecked by espeed, same with other pokes I like it. also you don't even need to kill some checks and counters because espeed will hit pokemon hard uless the are resisted and not named slowbro and blissey (only 2 I can think of right now with insta healing that don't mind the cb espeed its late here) bringing a pokemon back to check another is not likely and has been discussed before and is not really an option please refer to the current Sala thread

I post first and he gets the top spot I see how it is LOL (total joke just to be clear) feel free to pm questions ill happily answer as soon as I see them Art just to comment on what JJ said im with you on the metagross thing 100% steel not that great of attacking type and gets eaten up by our bulky water walls and by skarm ect... though agiity and explosion set can be very scary. Lax seems to be a bit of the same old which if you figure out the set than it can be dealt with bt figuring ot the set easier said than done but lets hear what everyone has to say on the topic. looking for dnite thread and there is a slowbro thread up now sry that is bit off topic

I see this as slack off being sowbos greatest gaina nd its biggest weakness int eh new meta. if your opponent does not pack toxic or a status then slowbro is a monster that is incredibly hard to break (unless u get a crit or 2) with rest you avoid that status issue but then you need to wait the sleep off in which a poke could set up or a cb-er like dnite could 3 hit you to death as u sleep (inb4 sleep talk ice beam lol) I see and get the blastoise comparisions but the main difference has been highlighted. instant healing is very hard to deal with and the cm mind to boost your weaker stats this makes slowbro a lot scarier than blastoise. not to mention duel stab moves im on the fence about this one though it is very intriguing

I didn't see anything regarding this point but it was stated in previous threads that bringing a pokemon back into te teir because it checks a pokemon is not a valid reason to do so. (I recall that being about granbul discussion going up to OU and when it was considered bringing it abck down) Second, as others have stated from what ive read it would be more helpful if you made a thread about dragonite instead of bringing Sala back down third, the speed does make a big difference. whereas dnite has to(or at least should) run espeed to hit counters sala is in a difference speed tier and therefore is not concerned about some o the same pokes that Dnite is (thank god sala doesn't get espeed that would truly be scary) ex of pokes that dnite need espeed for: hidden power ice doom, sceptile jolteon to beat out arcanine. and pick off weakened pokemon in general. but the base 100 speed of sala creates speed ties or allws him to be faster and not have that move locked in but rather contine on its way samming dragon claw or whatever you choose.