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It would be curious how LC would be without Mienfoo having a 70% presence, we currently have very few pokes that can reliably answer Mienfoo. Hidden Abilities should make it a bit easier to answer the poke, sadly noone knows when it will hit. The fact that you gain so much momentum from U-turn + the health regen, that besides it's amazing supporting and offensive movepool.As it has been said many times before, it's pretty much too good not to use, the same went for Misdreavus which used to be a decent answer for Mienfoo. I'd be for a test ban of Mienfoo. That is if we don't want to go down the rabbit hole of banning more specific abilties, as in my eyes regenerator is currently the problem of Mienfoo. Test ban Regenerator > Test ban Mienfoo.

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The monthly movement discussions have the usage stats in them, it's one month at the time though.

But Diglett won't be banned, while yes, it will be slightly more difficult to take care of Clamperls checks and counters. It'll still leave the potential open for Clamperl to set up. The test ban lasted three entire months, that is a quarter of a year. A good span of time passed. Magnet pull doesn't seem to be an issue within LC, only 2 pokemons get it, being Magnemite and Nosepass. The main steel types in the tier, Bronzor, Ferroseed, Magnemite and Pawniard. Some damages. If the opponent has a Trace Porygon, Magnemite has become a potential stuck magnet. Magnemite is not nearly the same thread as Diglett is. Clamperl has technically more checks, but it'd depends on which moveset it carries. Generally speaking Ferroseed + Frillish present a decent core, even outside the Clamperl counter.

People are often complaining that Mienfoo and Clamperl are a huge thread within LC. Where Mienfoo could be the issue due to U-Turn + Regenerator. The only pokemon that can switch in semi safely is Trubbish to contest a speed tie, Gastly can outspeed it but you'd need to predict pretty well for that. All other checks/ counters are slower than Mienfoo, giving it the opportunity to chip the poke a little with U-Turn, heal 6-8 health with Regenerator. Making it increasingly more difficult to wittle it down, not taking into consideration that Diglett/ Trapinch can come in and take care of the check/ counter of Mienfoo. From the top of my head only Grimer can handle Diglett, if the Grimer is Brave with Giga Drain and Shadow Sneak. Clamperl has it's specific item being Deepseatooth which can 1hk0 pretty much the entire tier after Stealth Rocks are up. Without Deepseatooth Clamperl can be considered a whole lot less threatening. Looking at the fact that complex bans are being considered in banning Arena Trap, considering Deepseatooth should be an option. At that point Eviolite Clamperl needs +4 spatk to run rampage, since +2 doesn't get many K0's. Gastly is a glass cannon, there are quite a hand full of pokemons that can naturally outspeed it. As for Arena Trap in general. It is a cheap way to kill pokemon without the opponent having many options to counteract the play. At the time of the Diglett test ban Trapinch took a huge rise in usage, this was arguable to fill the gap of Arena Trap. Diglett might still see usage without Arena Trap, Trapinch most likely very little. A test ban on Arena Trap for now to me sounds like a good step. Potentially following by a test ban of Deepseatooth.

Mienfoo really doesn't like any incoming moves from Misdreavus, especially not Psychic, sure it will U-turn pretty much all the time. Mienfoo always loses HP to the U-Turn, ofc it can still switch normally to get Hp back.

To elaborate on this, a lot of people value a knocked off Misdreavus higher than their burned Mienfoo.

Where to start without becoming a broken record, I already thought Misdreavus was busted before it getting access to Nasty Plot. With access to Nasty Plot, the best check now is probably Spdef Stunky. It still comes down to a predict. Porygon/ Munchlax It reduces the amount of viable pokes that could help make the tier healthier, within the spoiler the argument I made in the other thread. Currently the only viable 19 speed pokemon in the tier is Misdreavus. Misdreavus wins 1v1 all other 19 speed pokemons. Other 19 speed pokes, being, Abra, Aipom, Buizel, Buneary, Magby, Meowth, Poliwag, Ponyta, Staryu, Taillow and Wingull. Three of them have a good match up vs Mienfoo, being Abra, Staryu and Taillow. Not even mentioning Yamask, Frillish and Gastly, which are currently almost completely outclassed by Misdreavus. In the 18 speed tier Doduo and Gastly are the main outliers which can also in their turn take care of Mienfoo. Most of the time Misdreavus is being played with Mienfoo, as Mienfoo can easily U-turn out into Misdreavus. They cover each other quite good. Mienfoo can take out Misdreavus checks and vice versa. None of the new ghosts have the speed or bulk to make that combo work. Misdreavus just makes teambuilding a whole lot more difficult, restricts versitility. What I do wonder, is the people saying Misdreavus should stay, what their arguments are.

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With 98 base speed there are quite a few pokes to outspeed it, with plenty to 1hk0 it, even without scarf. It is also weak to mach punch of Conk, which seems to be used a fair bit in OU. That is as far as my observation for OU goes, not informed enough to discuss that. Misdreavus with 19 speed, as previous mention doesn't really get outsped, none of the other 19 speed win vs it 1v1, same goes for the 20 speed pokes. You'd have to rely on scarfers, to which it can just switch out.

So previously Porygon had a decent match up vs Misdreavus, with Nasty plot it becomes pretty much useless, now, I did change the 36 hp evs for 36 def evs. There are arguments for both to be played. This gives Misdreavus 22/13 instead of 23/12. Misd uses Nasty Plot, 0- Atk Porygon Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Eviolite Misdreavus: 10-12 (45.4 - 54.5%) -- 12.1% chance to 2HKO Possible damage amounts: (10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12) +2 236 SpA Misdreavus Hidden Power Fighting vs. 236 HP / 236+ SpD Eviolite Porygon: 12-16 (46.1 - 61.5%) -- 96.5% chance to 2HKO Possible damage amounts: (12, 12, 12, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 16) That would give Stunky the ability to have a good chance within a 1v1 setup Now the second option being Munchlax, 236+ Atk Munchlax Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Eviolite Misdreavus: 8-10 (36.3 - 45.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Possible damage amounts: (8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 10) +2 236 SpA Misdreavus Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Munchlax: 13-16 (43.3 - 53.3%) -- 23.8% chance to 2HKO Possible damage amounts: (13, 13, 13, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 16) +2 236 SpA Misdreavus Hidden Power Fighting vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Munchlax: 18-22 (60 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Possible damage amounts: (18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 22) Same thing with Porygon, though now you have to hope you get a 13 or 14 hit with tbolt to not activate berry juice on lax.