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  1. a bunch of changes bcuz team preview, i was out of touch and dead, etc please more suggestions this thread big revamp
  2. Moves: Togekiss from A- to S Hydreigon from S to A+ Reuniclus from A+ to A- Salamence from A to A+ Hippowdon from A to A- Mandibuzz from B- to B+ Pelipper from B+ to A- Kingdra from A- to B+ Mienshao from A to A- Magnezone from A to A- Crobat from B- to B Arcanine from B- to B Azumarill from B+ to B Added Zoroark into B- tier Discuss Togekiss in S vs A+ Hydreigon in A+ vs S Conkelldurr in S vs A+, should there be an S tier in this metagame at all? Zoroarks tier placement
  3. Venemoth seems like a threat. Where would everyone put it? Also I understand MIilotic's role, I just don't think it is good enough at it. You can switch in to powerful physical attackers and haze setup sweepers but what does it do vs. a switch in against a Bliss/tenta/ferro. Seems like your just letting them setup hazards, seed, spin, etc. Also it gets chipped very fast in volt/turn meta and big special attackers like hydreigon, mence, etc
  4. Mamo - big agree. It is still a big threat that is very hard to switch in, but its speed tier is mediocre. B+ imo. Blissey - tbh not much experience on this one. Now that I think about it I see bliss way more than chansey. Still both viable imo. I think i'll throw both in A tier because neither is as powerful as A+ tier. Breloom + Swamp - agree. I have used both and have always put in work/fill out a teambuild nicely Gengar - favorite top tier threat rn. Insanely good on offense, I think is A+. I am impartial with Tentacruel. But it has big usage and it fits in very nicely on teams. I'll raise it to A-. Disagree on Milotic. I think it is too one dimensional to be A tier. I think it allows free switches into bliss,ferro,tenta too easily without very threatening moves. If you want to elaborate on this I would definitely be willing to hear. No idea on venemoth. Seems like a shitty volcarona but I guess it has sleep powder so I'l just throw it in C+ Smeargle - spams hazard in lead spot idk why I had this lower
  5. Moving Reuniclus down to A+ tier. Usage has lowered over past two months, it is most certainly not as centralizing as it was pre-patch. No longer a Conkelldurr counter, barely passes as a check. Flame orb facade 2hkos. Offense has become very volt-switch heavy which is not favorable for Reuniclus who likes to say in for multiple turns. On many teambuilds Cofagrigus has replaced Reuniclus for the simple fact of countering Conkelldurr. S-tier is reserved for mons who 9/10 times will have a big impact on the game. Reuniclus does not always shine like it used to. It has major flaws that are getting exposed after being in the spotlight for multiple months. Most teams are ready to beat CM Reuni, and the other sets are not as threatening. Moving Cofagrigus to A- tier. Its usage is too high to put it any lower. Even though I do not like Cofagrigus myself, that is not what the rest of the MMO community is saying. It is getting high usage in PSL (I would like to see W/L of Cofag users) and in automated tourneys/ranked. It is getting usage because some think it is necessity for stall builds and balance to check Conk. I am putting my biases aside, Cofag is the real deal right now. One of few Conkelldurr counters, used on a lot of teambuilds for this reason. Helps against fighting types in general, like HJK switchin from Mienshao, Heracross check, etc. Spinblocker, fighting check, can lay T-spikes, Hex can be a nuke coming off of 130 base power stab. It is not higher because it still struggles with many top tier threats. It basically gives a free switch to Hydreigon, Togekiss, Blissey, etc. Talking points: Mamoswine drop A to A- Gengar rise A to A+ Kingdra drop A- to B+ Tentacruel rise B+ to A- lets here some discussion lads
  6. Moved Heracross to B- (Was originally in C due to flame orb was unreleased, its way better than that.) Moved tentarcruel to B+ - Considering moving higher, need more discussion. Its one of the best spinners in the tier. On par with starmie IMO. Added forretress to B Would like to see more discussion from other members of community on moving Reuniclus to A+. I think it should be moved and I'll probably write up a big post sometime.
  7. I've had this opinion for a while but I didn't think people would receive it well. I felt as if as soon as flame orb Facade from Conk got popular, Reuni would drop. It just straight up loses its ability to switch in on the biggest threat in the metagame which is kind of a big deal. I think its other sets have viability like that annoying heal block variant, toxic, etc. Calm mind is still a monster if you remove the threats necessary, but otherwise doesn't do much vs. mantine/milotic. Would like to hear other opinions on this. Reuniclus is still one of those pokes that if you don't teambuild with it in mind, it will pick you apart and possibly sweep you. I'm personally for it dropping to A+.
  8. Taking over this thread from Orangemaniac, with his permission. I've made a few changes to reflect current meta better: Cofagrigus rise from C+ to B - the only true Conk counter, has been rising in usage slightly. Has some interesting techs like Hex and Toxic Spikes. It is still pretty weak wall to thinks not named conkelldurr. When I face it, it is typically just a sitting duck. Crobat from C+ to B- - I think this mon is worth more in OU. Would like to hear opinions on this. It has an amazing speed tier, breaks stall teams, can be a Conk check. Chandelure from B- to B+ - This mon has been rising in usage rapidly as of late. Its a decent check to conkelldurr and its substitute calm mind set is very strong in this metagame. If your opponent doesn't have Ttar this pokemon typically puts in some work. It can setup on non-shadow ball chansey and blissey. (Assuming you sub before toxic). Porygon2 from Unranked to B+ - P2 is a very strong blanket check to many threats in the metagame. Eviolite makes it the premier check for mons like Hydreigon, Gyara, Starmie. I am considering moving P2 higher but would like some input. Darmanitan from B- to B - Darmanitan actually had some presence as wallbreaker for a good while when sheer force was working. Unfortunately, it is not as good right now when the ability is bugged. I'm still going to rank Darmanitan as B, assuming the ability will be fixed soon. Added machamp from Unranked to C+. Has an OK niche right now. Being spammed on ladder with sash lead dynamic punch like DPP. It can break teams, similarly to Conk, with flame orb guts. It is still MASSIVELY in Conk's shadow, but it is also a decent mon in itself. Moving tentacruel from B- to B. It is an OK conk check. It is used on stall builds as a Volc counter. It can tspike, spin, and scald burns are a pain in the ass. Overall a decent pokemon. It is an untraditional bulky water compared to Milo, but I think it deserves a higher spot compared to mons like Snorlax and Arcanine. I feel as if people were more creative with their team builds, Tentacruel would be more incorporated in our metagame. Added Smeargle from unranked to C+. Smeargle is a legitimate lead option now with focus sash. The only suicide lead that can do anything you want it to. Sleep, setup spikes and rocks, etc. Removed Bellossom and Victreebell because if you use those then stop playing ou. pls convice me otherwise xD Current talking points: Hydreigon drop from S to A+. Would like opinions on this. From other thread, I think it has lost its niche as best dragon type. It can't drop Draco so its specs set has lost some power in comparison to new threats like salamence and kingdra. That being said, taunt roost is an absolute monster. Pory2 and Chansey are better checks after previous patch. Volcarona drop from A+ to A. I personally disagree. This mon is still extremely strong. Can be used on many different types of team. Bold Quiver, sub Quiver, offensive Quiver, it does it all. It's hard to build around but extremely strong in this current metagame. Anything else you deem worthy of talk. Should conkelldurr be in its own S tier? How do the new items affect Mons? Where should we place Porygon2? etc.
  9. Welcome to the OU Viability RankingsThread. If you do not know what a viability thread entails read further. A viability thread has as purpose to put Pokémon into 'ranks', by lack of a better term. In the OU viability rankings we base our rankings on how viable certain Pokémon in OU are. Discussion is encouraged and remember that you are always entitled to your opinion but forget not to be respectful to other community members. There won't be a split between offensive/defensive/support Pokémon as this is a general viability thread. Meaning offensive and defensive Pokémon can fit into the same rank without utilizing the same role. Bringing underrated Pokémon up for discussion is also part of a viability thread discussion. When proposing a ranking change please post reasoning behind your argument to make sure we avoid the thread being littered. Current Hot Topics basically everything Resources for Discussion Damage Calculator *Subject to mechanic differences https://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/ *Subject to mechanic differences Synergy Pokedex Tiering Etiquette Guide _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ PokeMMO OU Viability Ranking (Pokemon listed in alphabetical order) S Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are the pinnacle of the OU metagame. These Pokemon are able to perform a variety of roles very effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits. S Rank: Conkeldurr Hydreigon Togekiss A Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are fantastic in the OU metagame, and can sweep, support, or wall significant portions of the metagame. These Pokemon require less support than most others to be used effectively and have few flaws that can easily be compensated for when compared to their positive traits. A+ Rank: Ferrothorn Gengar Scizor Tyranitar Volcarona Salamence A Rank: Blissey Chansey Dragonite Excadrill Skarmory Porygon2 A- Rank: Cofagrigus Gliscor Gyarados Hippowdon Lucario Magnezone Mienshao Milotic Pelipper Reuniclus Tentacruel B Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are great in the OU metagame. These Pokemon have more notable flaws than those above them that affect how they function in the tier. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support to bring out their full potential. B+ Rank: Breloom Chandelure Cloyster Darmanitan Dugtrio Jellicent Kabutops Kingdra Mamoswine Mandibuzz Metagross Mantine Sigilyph Starmie Swampert B Rank: Aerodactyl Azumarill Bronzong Electrode Forretress Haxorus Jolteon Porygon-Z Smeargle Arcanine Crobat B- Rank: Forretress Heracross Roserade Snorlax Weezing Zoroark C Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are mediocre in the OU metagame, but have just as many notable flaws that prevent them from being effective. Pokemon in the C tier often require significant support to be effective. Pokemon from this rank tend to face a lot of competition with the more commonly used Pokemon. These Pokemon exert a below average presence in the metagame. C+ Rank: Alakazam Archeops Clefable Dusknoir Machamp Torkoal Vaporeon Venemoth Weavile C Rank: Blaziken Donphan Hariyama Medicham Scrafty Slowbro Umbreon C- Rank: Golurk Houndoom Krookodile Flygon Rhyperior Sawsbuck D Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are highly mediocre in the OU metagame, but are viable enough to justify their use on select teams. These Pokemon are only capable of doing their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that. Pokemon from this rank have multiple crippling flaws that prevent them from being successful a majority of the time, and are often severely outclassed because of it. These Pokemon exert a poor presence in the metagame. D Rank:
  10. How does september 1st, 7:00 pm est sound?
  11. we can't do 9 people but if someone else is interested then it cna work out
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