I would make my own arguments but since the thread has just been made and that'd be too much work so In the meantime I will just respond to those made by others, starting with orange.
Totally agreed. But I'd say usage works as a starting point, not as an argument from any point forward.
Agreed. twave, tailwind, scarf are some other things that you didnt mention. It's a great mon, I think half my teams have toge on them
S tier definitelly. in our current meta I'd argue it's even better than ttar (which I would actually drop from the S tier). Draco meteor sets are a bit unexplored I feel. This thing can run every item and get a lot of work done (orb, yache, iappapa, lefties, sitrus, lum)
I used to be a toise spammer, now I have been finding myself not being able to reliably fit it in as many teams anymore. it probably got hurt the hardest from the introduction of the rotom forms (though it did get a boost in checking chomp with its ice moves) Toge + Top outclasses every time. I would put it in A- or A at best.
I would actually keep kingdra at A or even drop it to A-. I feel it's a bit overrated and people are just bad at playing vs it. I do believe It has a lot of unexplored potential that could make it way stronger (surf sets with croak/jelli/gastro and focus energy builds without toge+toise cores that imo, are outdated thanks to rotom). I also believe sun to be slightly stronger than rain (it definetely used to be), but right now I couldnt really say for sure, rain got a bunch of new toys and counters at the same time (gastrodon, toxicroak, rotoms, chomp)
Agreed it's not an A tier pokemon this metagame is very rough to it. With the right build it can be quite strong though.
I disagree on this one. I feel gengar is one of the strongest leads and it helps patching out a lot of bad matchups in my own builds, It's actually becoming one of my favorite mons to run in weatherless/balance teams, maybe I could see A- not definitely not B
Agreed. though I would say A-. It's super strong but I feel it suffers real badly from 4mmss you want pump, gigadrain, icebeam, focus blast, fake out and protect
I Agree on Bisharp, Kabutops and Manectric and Dusclops kinda (Id say B-)
I can't think of a single reason why I would want to run slowking when reuniclus exists. Breloom is actually good, B tier at least imo.
And just acouple more early thoughts; Wash is not the best rotom form in our meta. Jolteon is not B tier (should be lower). Aboma is giga underrated. the A tier can be shuffled a lot, i.e, it could be easy to argue that volc is better than hydreigh.