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Yes I'm sure you speak for everyone there

I don't switch Mence into BP Scizor with rocks up

VGC is trash

IGN: LifeStyle Country: Portugal & England (Dual Nationality) Tiers: OU, UU, Gen7 OU Discord: LifeStyle#0660 Extra: I prefer playing for England, since Portugal only has pachima. God save the Queen.

Abilities such as Arena Trap and Shadow Tag should not have a place in any tier. It doesn't matter if Dugtrio gets its Attack stat changed from 100 to 80, it doesn't matter if Wobbuffet has Tickle removed from its movepool, these Pokemons are still going to be uncompetitive. This last word can be defined as "Removing a level of competition from the game; taking the game out of the hands of the players and (presumably) making the outcome of the game more reliant on luck/non player factors." Two different (out of a million) examples for this would be: Sand Veil Garchomp dodges a Dragon Pulse from Scarf Hydreigon and kills it with Dragon Claw. The Garchomp player wins. Arena Trap Dugtrio traps and kills a Blissey, the Blissey user ends up losing to Quiver Dance 3 attacks Volcarona. Both games that could have been won by the "better" player were removed out of that same player's hands. Drayyton's double trapper rain team made it clear of how dumb it is to have Arena Trap/Shadow Tag run around freely. And fyi, uncompetitive aspects of the metagame usually don't have super high usage, that's not what defines them as such. So saying things like "Dugtrio only has 6% usage, so it's not banworthy" is just plain nonsense. Now, you could ask yourself "But if Dugtrio and Wobbuffet are uncompetitive, why hasn't the TC done anything about them?" and the answer is, they can't. It's out of their hands. The Tier Council members, which were picked because they are better suited to handle competitive matters, get told what they can and can't do by their higher ups, people who probably can never get out of 1200 Elo on any showdown ladder. This has resulted in having that weird "no uber" policy, which to my understanding is "doing anything to keep something out of ubers", because having ubers is "bad game design". With that being said, I don't see a point in having a Tier Council at all, but I can't say I'm surprised that they haven't formally complained about how shitty their job is right now.

Gross.

Just want to point out that Keldeo, Kyurem, Kyurem-Black and Mew will most likely be fine in PvP, assuming we have access to every other legendary, hidden abilities, etc. But the rest yeah, way too busted.

We don't have hidden abilities here (yet)

No

It's just a game

Shiny Tyra when

I'm sorry? Ranked does not suck ass. Ranked is the highest form of competitive skill measurement and only Elite Jacked Warriors (haha), can quite truly understand it. I feel sorry for you thinking that PSL has anything noteworthy about it, given that it's full of loser nerds that sit around playing this game 24/7 and can't even complete the daily 100 push-up challenge.

ok

Ikr I have that problem too

I think it would be nice to have a list of the things that Baton Pass can still do. For starters, I hope it doesn't work with Mean Look/Block (which was a Gen5 change). People are saying it works with crit rate, personally I haven't tested it so I'm just going off by what other people say. Might have been an oversight but who knows, maybe their intention was to just get rid of Attack/Defense/Special Attack/Special Defense/Speed changes.

Because Baton Pass is now unbanned but suffered a big nerf to it. However it still serves some purpose such as this: Your Kingdra is probably not holding Scope Lens.

Focus Energy raises 2 crit stages which means you have a 50% chance of causing a crit. Holding Scope Lens adds another stage to that which makes it 100% chance.

Title: Grandpa's Pervy Moment IGN: LifeStyle

You're mixing up Evasion and Accuracy here. Evasion affects your own Pokemon and is uncompetitive because the opponent has no control over what happens, they are left to do nothing besides hoping that the luck goes in their favor. This is something that significantly lowers the option of skillful play, given that there are little to no viable methods of playing around it. Accuracy on the other hand, works differently. It affects your opponent's Pokemon, so if their accuracy is lowered, they can simply switch out to remove that effect, giving them a viable way of playing around it. This is why you see moves like Double Team or Minimize (Evasion boosting) banned and not ones such as Sand-Attack, Muddy Water, or Night Daze (Accuracy lowering). Ever heard of Moody? Because luckily Skarmory/Bronzong/Rotom-Wash/Rain/Mach Punch/Aqua Jet/anything above 88 base Speed/etc are enough to deal with Excadrill. Regardless, Sand Veil and Snow Cloak fall under Uncompetitive and Sand Rush can only fall under OP/Broken/Unhealthy. If you think Sand Rush should be banned then make a request for it and post your reasoning, though I very much doubt it will be taken seriously. The purpose of tiering is to remove elements which make the game less competitive. That goes from either characteristics of an Uber, to uncompetitive Pokemon, Moves, Abilities, etc. to downright unhealthy aspects of gameplay. Banning Evasion boosting abilities/moves does not mean we have to get rid of crits, scald burns, ice beam freezes, body slam paralyzes, etc., because those still qualify for a competitive Pokemon environment. And no, luck is for noobs. It doesn't matter what happens to lower tiers. OU is the highest form of competitive play and whatever decision is made on it, is never going to take into account about what happens to poor little Sandslash, that sits in Untiered. Well yeah I think it's fairly obvious that Hydro Pump Rotom has a decent chance of losing to Sub Garchomp, regardless of Sand Veil or not. Try HP Ice.

Yes

That precedent was already set when Draco Meteor was removed from Hydreigon, just gotta deal with it from now on. Yeah Cacturne might go from maybe viable in Untiered to not viable at all yeah it's all over delete the game

Nobody ever argued that Garchomp was strong because of Sand Veil. Garchomp is strong AND it has Sand Veil, which adds a layer of uncompetitiveness to it. We do have an Evasion Clause for a reason. The difference between now and then, is that it can't dodge 100 accuracy moves anymore. Capisce? Oh no! Banning Snow Cloak killed a strategy that revolves around dodging moves! The fact that you think that's unfair is just laughable. I'm sure the Doubles metagame can survive the lack of Froslass from now on.

Because Evasion is uncompetitive

Not uber.